March 17, 2016
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS
Vol. XLVIII No. 7
The
House met at 1:30 p.m.
MR. SPEAKER (Osborne):
Order, please!
Admit strangers.
To
the public gallery today we are pleased to welcome Rick Stanley of Ocean
Quest Adventure Tours; also in the Speaker's gallery today a former Member
of the House of Assembly, Percey Barrett, and his grandson Adrian Skinner.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
We're also very pleased
today to welcome to the Speaker's gallery Nevaeh Denine, CEO of Nevaeh's
Lemonade Stand, and some of her team, Nevaeh's Angel Foundation: her mother
Holly Denine; grandfather John Denine; Barb Evans; Stephanie O'Brien; Tania
Evans; and Avah Curl.
For
all of you, you know who Nevaeh is, I'm sure. This six-year-old has been
battling cancer with amazing courage and strength. She's also been an
inspiration to all of us. Having the strength to deal with her own battle,
she decided to give back and after seeing the Janeway Telethon, she wanted
the biggest lemonade stand ever.
She
started in July of 2014. Her next lemonade stand is July 24 of this year.
Last year, amazingly Nevaeh raised $40,000
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
While Nevaeh is battling
cancer herself, she's raising a tremendous amount of money for other
children with cancer. She is a hero!
I'd
like to welcome Nevaeh and her mother to the front of the mace, as well as
the Premier and the MHA for the District of Ferryland. All Members of the
House of Assembly have graciously signed a flag and we're going to present
this to Nevaeh today.
(Presenting of flag.)
(Applause.)
MR. SPEAKER:
I'd like to thank all
Members for allowing us to do that today; I think it was very important.
Thank you.
Statements by
Members
MR. SPEAKER:
Today we have Member's
statements for the Member for the District of St. John's Centre; Baie Verte
Green Bay; Fogo Island Cape Freels; Conception Bay East Bell Island;
Placentia West Bellevue; and Virginia Waters Pleasantville.
I
recognize the Member for the District of St. John's Centre.
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, what a pleasure to congratulate Holy Cross Junior High Crusaders
boys and girls basketball teams who both won silver medals in recent
tournaments.
The
Crusaders are coached by amazing volunteers Robyn Evans and Mark Delaney.
Robyn has been coaching the teams for six years and runs them on an
inclusivity framework. Absolutely everyone is valuable and gets to play!
Holy
Cross won a recent ArtsSmarts grant to study The Fairy Faith Oral Traditions
with songwriter Ray Lake. They studied traditional stories of fairies in
Newfoundland and Labrador, retold those stories in song and recorded a CD.
It was just fabulous work.
Two
incredible teachers, Lisa Saunders and Raymond Abbott, have been chosen for
the NLTA's Change Lives Campaign. Their work with students has been life
changing for sure. The testimonies from former students are absolutely
breathtaking.
This
year, the majority of Fry Family Scholarships went to alumni of Holy Cross.
This year alone, they won a total of $107,000 in scholarships. From 2006 to
2014, over 41 students from Holy Cross have been recipients of a Fry Family
Scholarship.
Holy
Cross Junior High is truly a community school nourishing and supporting its
students. Bravo to Principal Linda Hart and her fantastic team!
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Baie Verte Green Bay.
MR. WARR:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
would ask all Members of this hon. House to join me in congratulating the
Springdale HATS-Haiti team as they conclude another year of fundraising and
plan their annual visit to Haiti this May.
HATS, or Hands Across The Sea, was founded and is operated by Karen Huxter
of Springdale. She has dedicated the past 20 years to her mission.
Currently, her orphanage provides 18 Haitian children an abundance of love,
compassion and caring, along with the other essentials of a healthy life.
On
her compound, you will also find the Karen Huxter School and 400 proud
Haitian children who have been given the opportunity to learn. Although the
school currently offers grade one to 11, in September 2016, students will
also attend grade 12.
HATS-Haiti is possible because of volunteers and generous donations. Over
the past three years, the Springdale group of seven have raised nearly
$60,000. Volunteer groups such as theirs can be found across our great
province. They demonstrate characteristics such as generosity, selflessness
and social responsibility. Please join me as we thank them for their
important work and wish them a safe journey in May.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Fogo Island Cape Freels.
MR. BRAGG:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, it's a privilege to stand in this hon. House today and recognize
the efforts of the volunteer fire departments in
Centerville-Wareham-Trinity, New-Wes-Valley, Lumsden and Greenspond.
In
October of 2015, the Town of New-Wes-Valley volunteer fire department
received two calls within minutes of each other. The first call was for a
commercial building in their town, the second in a cabin area closer to
Greenspond.
The
fire chief called the Greenspond volunteer fire department for assistance.
After extinguishing the cabin fire, we proceeded to the commercial fire.
Upon arrival we joined the New-Wes-Valley, Lumsden and CWT fire departments.
Over 40 firefighters were on the scene. Everyone knew we were dealing with a
fatality.
Those first responders will be forever impacted by what they experienced
that day. There was a somber mood around the scene. No one who responded to
the emergency calls had anticipated a victim. These volunteers in small
towns are rarely trained for such an event. Nevertheless, they handled the
situation with grace and courage.
I
would ask all Members in this hon. House to join me in showing our
appreciation by thanking these men and women for their faithful community
service.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Conception Bay East Bell Island.
MR. BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
stand today to acknowledge entrepreneur Rick Stanley of Ocean Quest
Adventures. This past month Mr. Stanley developed, financed and participated
in a significant future economic business in my district, this being the
Mine Quest adventure diving expedition.
Rick
and 12 of the world's elite divers have embarked on an expedition to
document and map the sprawling tunnels that make up the Bell Island mines.
The mine shafts run kilometres beneath the ocean floor, and are a treasure
trove of historical gems which reflect the mining industry of the era. The
objective of the expedition is to build a road map so that inexperienced
divers can be taken down into the mines without risk.
The
teams plan to open the mines up to the diving public has earned them the
coveted title of Expedition of the Year from the Royal Canadian Geographic
Society.
In
addition to their award, a further acknowledgement of the significance of
this expedition is evident in that a film crew from the Discovery Channel is
documenting the group's expedition for a two-part series.
I
ask all Members to join me in congratulating and wishing every success to
Ocean Quest and Mr. Rick Stanley.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Placentia West Bellevue.
MR. BROWNE:
Mr. Speaker, I rise in
this hon. House today to commend Olympian Kaetlyn Osmond, of Marystown, on
her courage and strength in the face of adversity and overcoming it.
After two consecutive gold medals at the Canadian Figure Skating
Championships in 2013 and 2014, Kaetlyn made all of Newfoundland and
Labrador proud by winning a silver medal at the 2014 Olympics in Sochi.
Just
months after returning from Russia, Kaetlyn was sidelined by an injury when
she fell during a practice session, breaking her right fibula in two places,
which required two surgeries to repair.
An
injury of this magnitude could have been a career ender, but Kaetlyn
unflinchingly embarked upon the road to recovery. Mr. Speaker, I am happy to
report to the House today that she has been back on the ice and back in her
element.
We
saw evidence of this in January of this year, when Kaetlyn returned to the
Canadian National Championships. Just some 16 months after her major injury,
she earned a bronze medal, finishing just 0.12 shy of second place.
I
ask all Members of this hon. House to join with me in congratulating this
world-class athlete, our hometown hero, Kaetlyn Osmond, on her remarkable
journey of strength and best wishes on what is still yet to come.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Virginia Waters Pleasantville.
MR. B. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
rise in this hon. House today to pay tribute to one of Newfoundland and
Labrador's greatest legal minds. Earlier this month, Jim Thistle passed away
after a short battle with ALS. He leaves behind a truly distinguished legacy
of public service and a record of achievements in the legal world that
continues to benefit Newfoundland and Labrador today.
In
1985, Jim played a leading role with the Atlantic Accord, a moment in our
history that paved the way for the development of the offshore oil and gas
industry in Newfoundland and Labrador. Thanks to Jim's role in this
agreement, our province has been transformed into a global player in the oil
and gas sector. Jim later went on to serve his province as the Deputy
Minister of Justice and the Deputy Attorney General.
During his legal career, he worked extensively in energy and natural
resources, environmental and Aboriginal law and he served his profession as
a mentor to dozens of lawyers over the years. Jim was a deeply committed
volunteer and community leader who was well loved by his family and friends.
I
ask all Members of this hon. House to join me in celebrating the life and
legacy of one of Newfoundland and Labrador's most distinguished citizens.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
The Commemoration
of the First World War and the Battle of Beaumont-Hamel
MR. SPEAKER:
Today for Honour 100 I
recognize the Member for the District of Burgeo La Poile.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
I will now read into the record the following 40 names
of those who lost their lives in the First World War in the Royal
Newfoundland Regiment, the Royal Newfoundland Naval Reserve, the
Newfoundland Mercantile Marine, or the Newfoundland Forestry Corps. This
will be followed by a moment of silence.
Lest we forget: Alexander Chalk, John Fielding Chaplin,
Albert Chatman, Isaac J. Chaulk, Ronald Chaulk, Charles Chaytor, Reginald
Cheater, William C. Christian, Leo Joseph Christopher, Charles Chuck, George
Chuck, Lawrence Edward Clare, William Clark, Dorman Clarke, George Max Clarke, George R. Clarke, George S. Clarke, James Clarke,
John Clarke, Josiah Clarke, Soloman Clarke, Thomas Clarke, Walter J. Clarke,
Bernard Cleary, Charles Allen Cleary, John Cleary, Patrick Michael Cleary,
Cecil Bayly Clift, Albert Cluett, Henry Cluett, Vincent Cluett, John Coady,
Timothy Francis Coady, William Coady, George Coates, Harold Coates, Harold
Gordon Coish, Leo Coish, William Clyde Coish and Ronald Colbert.
(Moment of Silence.)
MR. SPEAKER:
Please be seated.
Statements by Ministers.
Statements by
Ministers
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government
House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, it was
an honour to participate this morning in a ceremony to recognize the 40th
anniversary of the first sitting of the Court of Appeal as the appellate
division of the Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Prior to 1976, both trial and appeal superior court functions were
discharged by a single unit court the Supreme Court of Newfoundland. Each
individual judge sat as a trial judge and in the case of appeal, that
judge's decision would be heard by the other sitting judges.
Mr.
Speaker, the Court of Appeal is a vital component of the justice system in
Newfoundland and Labrador as the court of last resort for more than 95 per
cent of all appeals initiated in the province. Over the past 40 years, there
have been many significant decisions that have directly impacted the
administration of justice for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
Today we also recognized the contributions of one of the first justices to
sit on the Court of Appeal, Chief Justice James R. Gushue, who was just 43
years old when he was appointed in 1976 a remarkable achievement for such
a young man. He was known as a polite and courteous writer of good, solid
judgements.
Chief Justice Gushue led a commission that examined the circumstances
related to a 1976 fire at a personal care home in the Goulds that claimed 21
lives and which resulted in many health and safety improvements that are
still in place today.
He
passed away last October and is dearly missed by his family, friends and
colleagues in the legal community.
In
closing, Mr. Speaker, I ask my fellow MHAs to join me in congratulating the
Court of Appeal of the Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador on its
40th anniversary.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of
the Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
We,
as well, join with the hon. Member in recognizing this anniversary, and I
thank the hon. Member for a copy of his statement today.
One
of the hallmarks of a democratic society is a fair and progressive judicial
system and today marking the 40th anniversary of the first sitting of the
Court of Appeal, we recognize the immense vital role it plays in the
Newfoundland and Labrador justice system.
Mr.
Speaker, all governments have a major responsibility to ensure that each and
every person has a right to fair and just legal proceedings and the
appellate division adds an additional level of oversight to legal rulings
right here in our home province.
I
would also like to briefly recognize all of the men and women who work in
our court systems throughout Newfoundland and Labrador and commend them as
well for the support they provide to courts and the work they do for the
people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of St. John's Centre.
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
What
an honour to stand in this House to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the
Court of Appeal of the Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador and to
recognize the work of Chief Justice Gushue.
What
an honour to thank Chief Justice Derek Green, the current judiciary and
their teams for their dedication to the court and to the administration of
justice on behalf of our people. Chief Justice Green has done wonderful work
educating the general public about the need to modernize our justice system
and the important issues of access to justice for all people.
To
all, Mr. Speaker, I thank them for their passion and their compassion.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Further statements by
ministers?
The
hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.
MR. HAGGIE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
rise today to recognize March as Colon Cancer Awareness Month.
Colon cancer is one of the commonest types of cancer in both men and women
in Newfoundland and Labrador. It often develops with few if any warning
signs. Early recognition for the prevention and treatment of this cancer
often means a greater chance of successful recovery.
Regardless of whether you have a history of colorectal cancer in your
family, talk to your health care professional to learn more about your
personal risk. Your family doctor, nurse practitioner or other health
professional can help you identify preventive options to reduce your risk of
colorectal cancer.
Mr.
Speaker, together with the Department of Seniors, Wellness and Social
Development we're developing a health promotion and healthy living strategy.
We can all make personal lifestyle choices to reduce our risk of developing
cancer. This includes eating a well-balanced diet, regular exercise,
refraining from smoking and limiting alcohol consumption.
I
encourage all residents during Colon Cancer Awareness Month to speak to
their primary health care providers to learn more about this type of cancer.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of
the Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
thank the minister for an advance copy of his statement today. Also, we
would like to join the government in recognizing March as Colon Cancer
Awareness Month.
As
the minister indicated, colon cancer is one of the leading types of cancer
in our province today for both males and females. Like many other cancers
and conditions, early detection is key. Mr. Speaker, that's why our
government expanded the province's Colon Cancer Screening Program making it
accessible to residents throughout all regions of our province.
It
was a goal to have this type of screening performed province wide and I'm
happy that is now the case. The screening program assures that residents who
are at average risk of colorectal cancer can be screened for early detection
and diagnosis of colon cancer. We know that about 90 per cent of colon
cancers that are detected early can be prevented and treated very
successfully.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. P. DAVIS:
We acknowledge the work
as well of those working in health care throughout Newfoundland and Labrador
and protecting the best interests of the people of the province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of St. John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
I,
too, thank the minister for an advance copy of his statement. I certainly
recommend that everyone learn about the risks of colon cancer and the
benefits of early detection.
I
want to add one important measure is the free Fecal Immunochemical Test,
better known as the FIT. It is easier to say. It's an advanced test you can
order from your health authority. It comes in the mail with all the
necessary equipment and instructions.
I
urge people to check with their physicians about their eligibility to use
the FIT. It's a simple, free test that could save people's lives.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Further statements by
ministers?
The
hon. the Minister of Education and Early Childhood Development.
MR. KIRBY:
Mr. Speaker, the
Newfoundland and Labrador Association for Community Living, a non-profit
organization that works with and on behalf of persons with intellectual
disabilities and their families, have opened nominations for their annual
Inclusive Education Award.
I
was pleased to meet with this group in February when we proclaimed Inclusive
Education Month. Each year the Inclusive Education Award is presented to a
school for outstanding efforts to develop and design classrooms, programs
and activities so that all students can participate in all aspects of school
life.
Mr.
Speaker, students have a right to attend school with their peers while
receiving appropriate and quality programming in safe, caring and inclusive
environments. Inclusive schools embrace the diversity of our communities and
employ collaborative approaches to teaching and learning.
I
encourage each of our schools to acknowledge and celebrate inclusive
environments by applying for this Inclusive Education Award. The deadline
for submissions is March 25. Information about the award and the new
guidelines are available online on the Newfoundland and Labrador Association
for Community Living website.
Mr.
Speaker, this government is committed to fostering safe, caring and
inclusive environments enabling all students to reach their full potential.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Conception Bay East Bell Island.
MR. BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
would like to thank the minister for an advance copy of his statement. We,
too, on this side of the House want to recognize the valuable work of the
Newfoundland and Labrador Association for Community Living and particularly
what they do in our community.
It
is important that we note that this is the 60th anniversary of the
association. That is a milestone but it is also a testament to the great
work that has been done by their paid staff, but particularly the hundreds
of volunteers who give freely of their time every day to ensure that persons
with intellectual disabilities and their families are provided services.
This
award is a great opportunity to recognize the school that goes out of their
way to promote inclusive education and encourage students to be engaged and
the school community itself to be supportive.
Mr. Speaker, we, too, want to encourage all of our Members here in the House
of Assembly to reach out to your schools, encourage them to make an
application to acknowledge the schools that go out of their way to include
persons with intellectual disabilities.
We
want to acknowledge the fact that the deadline is March 25. And we, too,
want to encourage everybody to reach out and thank the association for the
great work they've done.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of St. John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
I,
too, thank the minister for the advance copy of his statement, and
congratulations to the Association for Community Living for establishing
this award. It's such an excellent way to make students aware of inclusion
and to come up with their own solutions to make their classrooms and schools
more inclusive.
However, I would like to see the minister acknowledge that many schools do
not have the number of teachers and teaching assistants they need to create
a truly inclusive environment.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
Oral Questions.
Oral Questions
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of
the Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, the Minister of Finance has indicated that one of the areas in
which government has achieved savings since taking office is travel.
I
ask the minister: Can she table the details on savings in travel between
December and March 2016?
Thank you.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MS. C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Over
the last several days, the Member opposite is continuing to ask questions,
which I have answered. I'm not sure why he is unable to hear the answer, but
I'll try it again.
The
full details of every single savings across every single line are presented
to this House and to the people of the province through the Estimates
process, and then further through Public Accounts. I look forward to
providing that information in the House for the people of the province and
for the Members opposite when those deadlines and dates around budget and
Estimates are planned.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of
the Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, the hon. Member offered to provide the exact details here in the House
of Assembly, and I would also reference this is part of budget 2015-16 and
she had indicated the savings had already taken place and provided a number.
So we were looking for those details.
Mr.
Speaker, I ask the minister, a reduction of MHAs introduced by our
administration, reducing the House from 48 Members to 40, would impact the
number of political staff and result in savings to government.
So I
ask the minister: Can the minister outline the exact savings due to
reduction in MHAs, and are they also included in the savings the minister is
referring to?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MS. C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
The
specific details around every single line item and every single savings
related to individual line items through departments, through the agencies,
boards and commissions through their annual reports all of that
information is tabled in the House of Assembly, Mr. Speaker.
Certainly all the details the Member opposite is looking for will be
available for him to review at the same time it's going to be available for
review for the people of the province.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of
the Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
We
keep asking the questions because we haven't been able to get the answers.
Mr.
Speaker, in the Liberal red book it stated a new Liberal government would
implement a provincial autism strategy.
I
ask the minister: When can we expect to see such a strategy, and who will be
responsible for the development of that strategy?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Health and Community Services.
MR. HAGGIE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
As
Members here will probably be aware, the Autism Society of Newfoundland and
Labrador produced a very comprehensive review yesterday with a fairly
lengthy executive summary. Myself and my officials are working our way
through that document.
We
would hope to use that to inform discussions around a strategy for autism.
We wish to engage with stakeholders, in terms of developmental
paediatricians, in terms of providers of autism support in education and, in
due course, we will develop a strategy and bring that back to the House.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of
the Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
We're all very much aware of the many challenges faced by those with ASD, as
well as their caregivers and families. One of those challenges commonly
identified by the autism community is the archaic threshold of IQ 70 when
determining eligibility for service.
We
recognize the need to address this shortcoming and, as such, I committed
while I was premier to the elimination of IQ 70 standard. Mr. Speaker, I was
very pleased the Liberal Party followed our lead and also announced the same
in the red book just days before the election.
I
ask the Premier: Are you still committed to eliminating the IQ 70 as
promised, and when can we expect some movement on that?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
Member opposite, I thank him for the question, because as he knows, during
many of the forums we took part in in the election last fall, there were a
number of questions around autism.
As
the minister just spoke about, the release of a strategy yesterday by the
Autism Society, the autism association made many recommendations and one of
those recommendations of course was to do away with or the removal of the IQ
70. This is something we are still committed to as we are looking forward to
working with the autism association on many ways to improve the lives of
people and families that have to deal with ASD.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of
the Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
think the Premier is saying they remain committed to it, and I'm glad to
hear that.
Mr.
Speaker, the Liberals also promised to expand the ABA program Applied
Behavioural Analysis, commonly known as ABA. Currently, the cut-off stands
at grade three. While this may be an appropriate threshold for many,
especially those who are enrolled in ABA programs at an early age, however,
for those who are diagnosed later, the grade three cut-off does not suffice.
I
ask the Premier: Are you still committed to expanding the ABA program as
well past its current scope? When can we expect some movement and more
details on that?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I'm
a little surprised to hear that the former premier would be standing in this
House asking us questions when this could have been done when they had a
number of years to do exactly that and refused to do it. As a matter of
fact, refused to even, in many cases, entertain a discussion which was
meaningful in any way with those impacted by this.
We
understand the impact this is having, and this is something that will be
part of the overall strategy. We would like to be able to make those changes
but this and many other changes will be part of the overall discussion that
we look forward to having. We realize the importance and how significant
this is, especially within our education system, within our health system
and how it impacts families. So this is something we look forward to having
a broader discussion and we look forward to hopefully being able to
implement these changes.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Ferryland.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, Budget 2015 produced a five-year financial plan. The three
bond-rating agencies liked that long-term plan and rated our province's
outlook as stable. A lack of a plan by this government resulted in
Newfoundland's outlook being downgraded to negative.
I
ask the Minister of Finance: Has she met with the bond-rating agencies to
address this issue? What is the current status of the provincial bond-rating
status?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, the gall of the Member opposite to say that they actually put in a
plan last year and they stand by their plan. Last year, there were
borrowings of almost $5 billion, which they did no borrowing strategy on and
virtually zero success in getting access to any long-term borrowing.
Well, I am proud to stand in this House today and speak to you about the
minister who sits in this very chair and the success and the work that she's
been able to do for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER BALL:
She's been able to put in
place some long-term borrowing initiatives already, in spite of the failed
plan that you guys announced last year in April.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Ferryland.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
I
remind the Premier that it was him who was out in the public just a short
while ago saying we couldn't get any long-term borrowing (inaudible) the
previous administration. He had to retract what he had said because the
previous administration did have long-term borrowing.
Mr.
Speaker, could the Premier clarify who indeed was turned down, the province
was turned down, by what institutions for long-term borrowing? Why did he
have to retract his statement that the province in the past year had not
received long-term borrowing?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
Member opposite knows this was essentially a reopener that was done last
summer nothing new at all. It was a reopener of a loan that was already
put in place.
The
downgrading that took place this year that you've seen recently in the
credit-rating agencies
was as a result of the plan that you guys announced last year, one that
the people of Newfoundland and Labrador took a good look at.
Right now, what they are looking for is some security, some sustainability
for our province. I'm proud to say that our minister is putting a great plan
in place. This government will do just that to make sure that we can secure
the future of Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Ferryland.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Again, I ask the Premier, he indicated publicly that the prior
administration was unable to secure long-term borrowing. He later retracted
that statement. I'd ask him to clarify that.
As
well, he indicated there were lending institutions that would not lend
long-term borrowing to the province. I ask him to name those institutions,
if he could.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Mr. Speaker, why would I
get up in this House of Assembly today and let the people of this province
know and explain to people who would not listen to your plan?
We've been able to, as a result of the efforts of the Minister of Finance
and President of Treasury Board, secure $1.4 billion in long-term financing.
So you might ask: Why is that important?
Well, when you're in a situation where downgrading is based on the plan
the previous administration put in place becomes at risk, it's important
that you put security, that you put certainty in place so you do not have to
worry. You take all those risks, all those variables out of play. That is
what the minister and her team has been able to do, unlike the previous
administration.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Ferryland.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, again, I remind the Premier it was our plan that the bond-rating
agency stabilized our bond rating last fall.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Last November they
looked at it and they secured that bond rating. It was later on that it was
changed, I remind the Premier.
The
Dominion Bond Rating agency stated on January 21 that Without a material
improvement in the fiscal and debt outlook supported by a credible
multi-year fiscal plan, a one-notch downgrade is likely. Moody's said on
January 25 they will consider revising their outlook back to stable if the
government implements a comprehensive fiscal plan. Standard & Poor's: If
they develop a credible plan.
I
ask the Premier: When will your government have a credible, multi-year
fiscal plan ready to prevent further downgrades of our credit rating?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
noticed the Member just said our credit rating. Well, it was your credit
rating that they actually downgraded.
What
I would say, Mr. Speaker, is last year during budget 2015-2016 the previous
administration, which the Member was a part of and which the premier was a
part of, said this: We will need to be borrowing over the next five or six
years. They had said that.
What
they didn't do now if you know that you have to borrow, why would you not
put in place an investors relationship strategy? Why wouldn't you do that?
The previous administration knew they had to borrow, refused to do it, put
the future of Newfoundland and Labrador at risk.
It
is their plan of the borrowing that led to the $15.4 billion over the next
five years. That is the reason why our minister is putting in place an
investment strategy, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Ferryland.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Mr. Speaker, I remind
the Premier it's their lack of plan that the bond-rating agencies have
reacted so negatively, I'll say to him.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HUTCHINGS:
The lack of a plan,
that's where the bond-rating agency is. Lack of vision, lack of direction,
no fiscal policy; Mr. Speaker, it's terrible.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Mr. Speaker,
The Telegram reported on February 24 that the Premier admitted the
lack of a plan hurt us and said the reaction will be more positive for
credit agencies if we have a plan we can show them.
What
plan has the Premier provided to financial lenders and institutions to help
secure financing and instill confidence in the fiscal plan of our province?
If so, will he share that plan?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
That plan will be called
budget 2016-2017, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The Member for the
District of Ferryland.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Short answers, but we have lots of questions. No worry there, Mr. Speaker.
A
15-month consultation tour that the Liberals are undertaking is virtually
identical to that which was taken by the New Brunswick Liberal government.
One year later, the New Brunswick government has made massive cuts to
programs, services and jobs.
I
ask the Minister of Finance: Should the people of our province be prepared
for similar cuts to programs, services and jobs by your government?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MS. C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
I
can assure the people of the province that they will have a budget as part
of '16-'17 fiscal that will include multi-year targets, actions in the
short, medium and long term, which we will be discussing as part of our
budget '16. We'll look forward to continuing the dialogue that many people
across this province so desperately have wanted for a decade and were unable
to participate in.
We'll continue to have that dialogue and put a credible plan in place to
make sure that the people of the province are supported, understand and get
what they want when it comes to budget 2016.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Conception Bay South.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. PETTEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, during the fall election campaign, as part of their campaign
platform, the Liberals assessed the value of government assets and claimed
they could generate $50 million each year from the sale of those assets.
I
ask the Minister of Transportation and Works which assets have you placed on
the market were sold since taking office. How much has your administration
raised, to date, through those assets?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MS. C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
The
work that's being undertaken around getting a deep understanding of the
assets that the current government has at its disposal is ongoing. Part of
our process in building budget 2016 and our ongoing fiscal plans will
include a commitment to do exactly what we said in our platform.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Conception Bay South.
MR. PETTEN:
Mr. Speaker, I ask the
Minister of Transportation and Works if he'll make public the full list of
assets the Liberal administration plans to sell and the amount of revenue
expected to be generated through this sale.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
guess what I'm hearing from the Member opposite, he's looking for a fire
sale, maybe. I'm not so sure what he is interested in.
What
we will do before any asset would be sold, that is owned by the province of
Newfoundland and Labrador, there will be full economic analysis that would
be done on those assets, I say, Mr. Speaker. If they bring value and
continue to have value to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador well,
guess what? They will remain an asset of Newfoundland and Labrador; I can
say that, Mr. Speaker.
Anything that has no value to the province, well, we will do what is right.
We can use that money to provide valued services for the people of the
province who are desperately looking for some good management and some good
planning for the future of our province, I say, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay South.
MR. PETTEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It's
strange for the Premier to say that when every community I go to, every
person I run into, are looking: What is government selling? What buildings
are they selling? It is in your red book, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, the government has not yet taken action on this plan.
I
ask the minister: Our province is in dire need of revenue; why haven't you
taken any action?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
If
the Member opposite is going to many communities in our province, I would
ask him to let us know which communities, because when I'm travelling this
province that is not what people are telling me. What they are saying is
they are looking forward to this government and to this team that's over
here putting in a plan that's sustainable, making sure that we make
decisions that are evidence based, that the complete analysis is done on all
the issues that we have facing our province. That is what this government is
committed to doing and that is what we will do.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member
for the District of Cape St. Francis.
MR. K. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Announced on April 29 last year, the Community Sustainability Partnership
provided new and needed sources of funding for municipalities. Included were
partial rebated HST; access to the provincial gas tax fund; a three year
commitment to municipalities operating grants at a value of $22 million;
multi-year infrastructure commitments to address such needs as clean and
safe drinking water. Municipalities right across the province applauded this
plan and this announcement.
I ask the Minister of Municipal Affairs: Is he committed to maintaining
this partnership?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister
of Municipal Affairs.
MR. JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
I thank the Member for the question. It was a great program that was
brought in. Actually, we all voted for it, and the Members who are opposite.
We voted for it. We agreed with it. We think it's a great plan to sustain
Newfoundland and Labrador.
Mr. Speaker, like we said, everything will be reviewed in the budget.
Anything we do will be in consultation with Municipalities Newfoundland and
Labrador. I commit that anything that's done on this side, Mr. Speaker, will
be done in the best interest, unlike the former minister who wouldn't sign
$34.9 million to help out rural Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member
for the District of Cape St. Francis.
MR. K. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, municipalities right across the province are concerned about
the economic turmoil we have and they're worried about the download of
services to communities through actions taken by our government, which
provided funding from 90-10, 80-20 and 70-30 respective on the size of
communities.
I ask the minister: Are you committed to this type of funding?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister
of Municipal Affairs.
MR. JOYCE:
Again, I thank the
Member for the question. Then again, I have to look at the commitment when
there was so much work that could have been done in rural Newfoundland and
Labrador with this $34.9 million.
Mr. Speaker, I hear the Member talking about all the concerns. I've met
with MNL. None of those concerns were raised to me. I don't know who the
Member is talking to because, Mr. Speaker, we will have meetings next week
hopefully with MNL to discuss some of the GRIs we're doing as a government.
I
can tell you one thing, Mr. Speaker, one thing we will do that the opposite
government never did: anything that will be done in this province will be
done in partnership. One thing we won't do, Mr. Speaker, is send letters out
to all the municipalities in Newfoundland and Labrador asking them to apply
for capital works knowing full well there's not one cent in the budget to
use for rural Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Cape St. Francis.
MR. K. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I want
to remind the minister, I speak to my municipal leaders all the time in my
district.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. K. PARSONS:
That's part of my
job. I work closely with municipalities in Newfoundland and Labrador,
especially in my own area. So I have a dialogue with them all the time, I
remind him.
Mr.
Speaker, as part of the municipal fiscal framework, government struck a
committee that would look at regional government structure. It intended for
the committee to report back in April.
I
ask the minister: What's the progress of this committee?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Municipal Affairs.
MR. JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
forgot to add one thing we're doing with Municipalities Newfoundland and
Labrador it was a commitment that was in the red book. Every year we would
have a Premier's forum with the Premier sitting down face to face with our
leaders of rural Newfoundland and Labrador to hear their concerns. We won't
be passing on things, Mr. Speaker, through a letter. The Premier will sit
down and face them face to face.
Now,
on regional governance, Mr. Speaker, there is a plan in place to start that.
There are consultations already in place. We feel strong, as the other
government did also, that it's great for Newfoundland and Labrador. We will
follow through on that, but whatever we do will be in consultation with
Municipalities Newfoundland and Labrador, who's in agreement with this, and
we look forward to the outcomes.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Fortune Bay Cape La Hune.
MS. PERRY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, we were very pleased to see the continuation of our
administration's Downpayment Assistance Program for next year. According to
the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation's website, applications
for 2016-17 will be available beginning on April 1.
I
ask the minister: How much money has been allocated to this program for the
upcoming year?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Child, Youth and Family Services.
MS. GAMBIN-WALSH:
I thank the Member
for her question, and I would just like to let her know the program has been
fully used for the past fiscal year.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS. GAMBIN-WALSH:
What we are doing, in
actual fact, is we have a wait-list of individuals who have applied for this
program. So rather than putting it out again, we are going to allow those
individuals access to the program first and then announce it again.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Fortune Bay Cape La Hune.
MS. PERRY:
Mr. Speaker, I ask the
minister again: Can you tell us how much money you intend to allocate to
this program for the upcoming year?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Child, Youth and Family Services.
MS. GAMBIN-WALSH:
The amount that we
will allocate will be in the provincial budget.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Fortune Bay Cape La Hune.
MS. PERRY:
Mr. Speaker, we know from
speaking to those in the real estate industry, as well as many first-time
homebuyers who availed of our innovative program, that it was very well
received and considered an overwhelming success. I contacted the minister
earlier this spring and I appreciate the information supplied to me by her
in early February. I now kindly ask her to update the program.
Can
you tell us, in terms of the funds for this year, have they all been
allocated? Will you be continuing an equal amount of funds, at the very
least for the upcoming year?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Child, Youth and Family Services.
MS. GAMBIN-WALSH:
I would like to let
the Member know that 122 households availed of the program, and we are
evaluating the program.
As I
said previously, the individuals who have previously applied will receive
assistance from the program first. Based on our provincial budget, we will
determine the amount on a go-forward basis.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Ferryland.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Can
the Premier give an update on the proposed Comprehensive Economic and Trade
Agreement? We understand it's moving forward with final translation being
performed. We are able to negotiate almost immediate access to the seafood
into the European Union once the deal is signed, which would be tremendous
for the fish processing sector of Newfoundland and Labrador.
So
I'm wondering if he could give us an update on where it is and when it could
be possibly signed.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
As
with any agreement we have with the federal government right now, it's
important that we make sure we continue to dialogue, continue negotiation
and a communication. We've got communication and dialogue and negotiations
happening on many fronts with the federal government, I will say, Mr.
Speaker.
When
the time is right, if we are able to close any agreement or any deal with
our federal colleagues, what we will do is we will make that public at the
time. It would be premature to make any announcement on anything that may
happen until it's final. Unlike the previous administration, who took the
liberty to go down without the federal government being part of it;
therefore, had the signing authority.
When
we finalize an agreement on anything related to the federal government and
Newfoundland and Labrador, the details will all be publicly known, I would
say. Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Ferryland.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, recently the minister of trade for Newfoundland and Labrador
indicated in the media that he's negotiating the fisheries fund. This,
however, was negotiated as part of the overall full agreement with
provincial support for the agreement with the federal government.
I
ask the Premier: Is he renegotiating the previous agreed support by this
province? Is the Premier or the minister suggesting they were offside with
Newfoundland and Labrador's trade team, as the lead negotiator and staff
been readily available, both domestically and nationally, over the past
number of months and year to definitively state there was a fisheries fund
agreed to as part of the overall agreement with the Government of Canada?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
If
you listen to the question from the Member opposite, there's a reference
about renegotiating an agreement. I can say, Mr. Speaker, there is no
agreement to renegotiate. They never were able to finalize an agreement with
their federal colleagues.
As I
said, there are a number of agreements, discussions and negotiations that
are occurring on many fronts with our federal colleagues. It would be very
premature of anyone on this side of the House right now. We are committed to
making sure that all those trade agreements are effective for people in
Newfoundland and Labrador. That is our focus.
When
the agreements are ready to be finalized, it is then we'll make the
information publicly known. It will be then that our federal colleagues will
be present at the table for the finalization.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of St. John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
Yesterday the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills said his department
is in the process of doing a full review of the Adult Basic Education
program. The contract with the private colleges ends in two weeks' time.
I
ask the minister: What's going to happen with the ABE program and the
students after March 31?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Advanced Education and Skills.
MR. BYRNE:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
Making sure that there's no gap in educational services is paramount. We do
not want to have learners not being able to attend classes as they normally
would.
Yes,
the contract does end on March 31. What I'm preparing now is a process to be
able to extend the contract until the 1st of September, which is the normal
beginning of the academic year, the normal school year, the normal planning
year.
In
the process, we then also have time to be able to develop a better plan to
go forward, one that's based on the needs of the program, its overall
sustainability and making sure we have best benefits that result from it. It
will be a much, much, much better plan than what was put in place before.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The Member for the
District of St. John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
A
November 2015 departmental information note implies the new private
contracts, whether they're the ones that get extended or new ones in
September, will continue, but efficiencies must be integrated into the new
contracts.
I
ask the minister: How can he stay with an all-private ABE system given how
badly it has worked? Will he now consider restoring ABE to the College of
the North Atlantic?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Advanced Education and Skills.
MR. BYRNE:
Mr. Speaker, I don't
think there's any contradiction in what I said. What we'll do is we'll put
forward a plan. We'll be able to develop best practices to make sure
learners and the service providers in educational institutes have an
opportunity to participate in the plan as it goes forward.
What
I am saying is that the College of the North Atlantic will indeed have an
opportunity to be able to provide input to potentially participate as well.
What we won't do is block the College of the North Atlantic from being able
to potentially participate in the future like the previous administration
did.
Our
key here, Mr. Speaker, is to make sure that the priority is on learning
opportunities and the learners in communities throughout Newfoundland and
Labrador have an opportunity to receive the best possible education that can
be provided in an affordable, sustainable way.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of St. John's Centre.
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
Waterford Hospital ABE was a successful, specialized, comprehensive
partnership program with health and education. It was designed to meet the
very challenging needs of people with mental illness. It too was privatized,
it's services ripped out.
Mr.
Speaker, I ask the minister: How are students now doing in this program that
those crucial support services are no longer there? How many students are
there? What are the dropout rates and graduation rates now for this program?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Advanced Education and Skills.
MR. BYRNE:
In the calculation of the
overall program, one of the things we have to be very clear about is that
some students enter the program for just the purpose of taking one course or
another. Not all students will enter the program for a full three-year
block. Some will enter the program for taking one course for a high school
upgrade; some may want to get into a professional program.
In
terms of the attrition rates, and this is one of the issues that has been
raised in terms of the original assessment is that the numbers don't
necessarily reflect a full and complete picture. That's why, Mr. Speaker, an
analysis is required. The previous administration, when they made this
decision, in my opinion, did not do so with very solid evidence and facts
before them and that's why I think mistakes were made.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
St. John's Centre, for one final question.
MS. ROGERS:
Mr. Speaker, the students
at this ABE program are very vulnerable.
I
ask the minister: Who is monitoring the program now? What is the oversight?
Who knows what's really going on at the Waterford ABE?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Advanced Education and Skills.
MR. BYRNE:
Mr. Speaker, the entire
program has to be reviewed from the point of view of what's in the best
interest of learners. We have a particular group of learners who have
special and separate needs. That's one of the things what I want to do is
make sure that all the evidence is brought forward, all the data is brought
forward and if hon. Members opposite can provide me with better input, I
would be more than happy to receive that information because that's what
makes for better decision making. It wasn't necessarily what was available
in the past.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The time for Question
Period has expired.
Presenting Report by Standing and Select Committees.
Tabling of Documents.
Tabling of
Documents
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government
House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, section
28 of the Provincial Court Act
requires that the Lieutenant Governor in Council appoint a tribunal every
four years to review and report on the salaries and benefits of provincial
court judges, and present its recommendations and reasons to the Minister of
Justice and Public Safety. The act which had initially required the report
to be filed by 30th of September 2014 had earlier been amended to require
that the report be filed by 31st of December 2015.
A
tribunal consisting of Brad Wicks, Q.C., David Eaton, Q.C. and John Whelan
were appointed in December 2014 to make recommendations for a four-year
period from April 1, 2013, to March 31, 2017. Hearings were conducted by the
Wicks tribunal during the 25th to the 27th of May 2015. The tribunals report
was presented to me on December 21, 2015. The tribunals report made
recommendations on salary, pension, interest, sick leave, judicial
indemnity, bereavement leave, cost and per diem judges.
Section 28.2(2) of the act requires that the report must be tabled in the
House of Assembly within 15 days of the start of this session of the House
of Assembly. The act also directs that within 30 days after the report is
tabled a resolution must be submitted to the House of Assembly to confirm,
vary or reject the tribunal's recommendations.
I
hereby table this report for the House of Assembly.
Thank you.
MR. SPEAKER:
Notices of Motion.
Notices of Motion
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MS. C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
I
give notice that I will move that the House resolve itself into Committee of
the Whole to consider a resolution relating to the raising of loans by the
province, Bill 9, An Act To Amend The Loan Act, 2015.
Mr.
Speaker, I also give notice that I will move that the House resolve itself
into Committee of the Whole to consider a resolution relating to the raising
of loans by the province, Bill 10, Loan Act, 2016.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government
House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
I
give notice under Standing Order 11 that I shall move that the House not
adjourn at 5:30 p.m. on Monday, March 21, 2016.
Further, I give notice under Standing Order 11 that I shall move that the
House not adjourn at 10 p.m. on Monday, March 21, 2016.
Thank you.
MR. SPEAKER:
Further notices of
motion?
Answers to Questions for which Notice has Been Given.
Petitions.
Petitions
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of Cape St. Francis.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. K. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
To
the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents of
Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS the federal government cannot justify discriminating against
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians in determining the dates of the
recreational ground fishery;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the
House of Assembly to urge government to be vocal in calling on the
Government of Canada to extend the recreational ground fishery in
Newfoundland and Labrador to promote fairness, safety and tourism.
Mr.
Speaker, I'm going to get up every day that I can because this is so
important to so many different people in our province. I talked to Members
over on the other side and everywhere you go people at work even here at
the House of Assembly that enjoy getting out for the recreational fishery.
We all believe that it's our God-given right to be able to go on the water
and catch a fish. We do realize that the moratorium came in and there was a
time that we had to stop fishing. It seems like when you talk to most people
even the fishermen when you talk to them, they feel that the ground
fishery is coming back. This is a part of who we are as people.
Safety is a very, very important time. When you look at there's three weeks
in the summertime and a week in September I've been involved in the food
fishery since it started and, to tell you the truth, I'd say last year I
didn't get out at all in September; the year before I think I got out once,
and the year before that once.
Mr.
Speaker, September is a hard time on the water for fisher people. We're
putting people's safety in front of everything else. I think it's important
that we make sure the federal government realizes how important this is to
the people of Newfoundland and Labrador. It's very, very important. Not only
is it important it's important that people do not risk their lives to
catch a few codfish. It's important that we don't put people in jeopardy.
I
spoke to a gentleman yesterday. He told me that September is the time of
year he likes to get his bit of fish to keep for the winter because it's the
best time to do it. We're putting people on the water when it's not safe.
It's not fair to Newfoundlanders and Labradorians to be doing that.
Also, another big part of this is our tourism industry. Tourism is a very
important part of rural Newfoundland and a part of Newfoundland in general.
Mr. Speaker, I tell you, when somebody that's not used to going out and
catching a codfish gets the opportunity to go out and catch one, it's an
experience that they hold for the rest of their lives. This can be sold as a
huge tourism attraction for the whole province. If you talk to all the
tourists in boats and everybody that's around, it's a real good idea to be
able to promote that they can go out and have their people on the tour boats
be able to catch a fish.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
the District of St. John's Centre.
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
To
the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents humbly
sheweth:
WHEREAS the English School Board trustees propose to close down Holy Cross
Junior High school and send students to a distant school; and
WHEREAS the board has arbitrarily and without consultation reduced the Holy
Cross Junior High school's catchment area and students will have to be bused
to a far more distant school; and
WHEREAS Holy Cross Junior High is an important neighbourhood school with
programs, community partnerships and extracurricular activities designed to
meet the particular needs of the inner-city students who attend it; and
WHEREAS the English School Board trustees are an appointed body and no
longer accountable to the people who elected them;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the
House of Assembly to urge government to ensure that Holy Cross Junior High
school remains open and to immediately arrange for a democratically elected
English School Board.
And
as in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr.
Speaker, as you know, I have stood in the House again and again and again
asking the Minister of Education if he would halt the process of reviewing
the possibility of the closure of this school with an appointed board of
trustees.
Today he said that students have a right to attend school with their peers
while receiving appropriate and quality programming in safe, caring and
inclusive environments. And inclusive schools embrace the diversity of our
communities and employ collaborative approaches to teaching and learning.
Mr.
Speaker, Holy Cross Junior High school has about 108 students right now. I
was there the other day and there was an enrolment of another student; 38
per cent of the children attending Holy Cross Junior High have
exceptionalities 38 per cent.
A
lot of these kids come from a community that is a centre-city community with
very significant socioeconomic challenges. This school is crucial
absolutely crucial to the well-being and education of these children.
We're not just talking about moving a bunch of kids to another building and
amalgamating them. This school has developed over the years partnerships
with the Froude Avenue Community Centre who provides tutoring, partnerships
with Buckmasters Circle Community Centre who provides tutoring.
These kids can all walk to school. If their school is closed, many of the
children who can see the school from their kitchen windows are going to be
bused. What does that mean to them? That means that they will not be able to
attend after-school activities.
A
lot of these kids, as I mentioned today, are on the basketball teams. These
basketball teams are inclusive; everybody has a right to play. These
children will not be able to play basketball at Brother Rice because the
pool is so big. Also, they have no way of getting home after school; their
parents don't have cars. Their parents can't chauffeur them back and forth
to school. Moving these children would be a disservice to them.
I
look forward to talking about this again, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you very much.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay South.
MR. PETTEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To
the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents of
Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS the remediation of the Manolis
L site is an urgent federal responsibility;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the
House of Assembly to urge government to bring pressure to bear on the
federal government to remediate the
Manolis L site.
And
as in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr.
Speaker, as we all know, this is not a new issue; it's been off the waters
of Change Islands and Notre Dame Bay for quite some time. It's been an issue
that the hon. Minister for BTCRD has brought to the floor on many occasions
for action. Our former government also lobbied to have this site remediated.
Prime Minister Trudeau has promised to remove the oil from the vessel; he
promised this during the campaign stop in the province. The people via
petition are now calling for action on this and they want the potential
environmental disaster prevented. Is this another promise that people are
waiting on? We need action.
Thank you very much.
MR. SPEAKER:
Further petitions?
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Orders of the Day,
Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
Orders of the Day.
Orders of the Day
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I move,
seconded by the Minister of Natural Resources, for leave to introduce a bill
entitled, An Act To Amend The Vital Statistics Act, 2009, Bill 7, and I
further move that the said bill be now read a first time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded
by the hon. Government House Leader that Bill 7 be now read a first time.
Is
it the pleasure of the House that the minister shall have leave to introduce
Bill 7 and that the bill now be read a first time?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
Motion, the hon. the Minister of Service NL to introduce a bill, An Act To
Amend The Vital Statistics Act, 2009, carried. (Bill 7)
CLERK (Barnes):
A bill, An Act To
Amend The Vital Statistics Act, 2009. (Bill 7)
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been
read a first time.
When
shall the said bill be read a second time? Now? Tomorrow?
MR. A. PARSONS:
Tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
Tomorrow.
On
motion, Bill 7 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government
House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I move,
seconded by the Minister of Environment and Conservation, for leave to
introduce a bill entitled, An Act To Amend The Change Of Name Act, 2009,
Bill 8, and I further move the said bill be now read the first time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded
that the hon. the Government House Leader have leave to introduce Bill 8,
and that the said bill be now read the first time.
Is
it the pleasure of the House that the minister shall have leave to introduce
Bill 8, and the bill be now read a first time?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
Motion, the hon. the Minister of Service NL to introduce a bill, An Act To
Amend The Change Of Name Act, 2009, carried. (Bill 8)
CLERK:
A bill, An Act To Amend
The Change Of Name Act, 2009. (Bill 8)
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been
read a first time.
When
shall the bill be read a second time?
MR. A. PARSONS:
Tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
Tomorrow.
On
motion, Bill 8 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government
House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I call
from the Order Paper, resolution and Bill 2 regarding Interim Supply.
MR. SPEAKER:
The motion is that we now
call Interim Supply and that I do now leave the Chair.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, that the House resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole, Mr.
Speaker left the Chair.
Committee of the
Whole
CHAIR (Dempster):
Order, please!
We
are now considering the related resolution and Bill 2, An Act For Granting
To Her Majesty Certain Sums Of Money For Defraying Certain Expenses Of The
Public Service For the Financial Year Ending March 31, 2017 And For Other
Purposes Relating To The Public Service.
The
hon. the Member for Fortune Bay Cape La Hune.
MS. PERRY:
Thank you so much, Madam
Chair.
It
is a pleasure for me to rise to my feet here again today and speak to the
debate on Interim Supply. When I got up the other day I spoke briefly about
my district, so today I think I'll talk a little bit more about my district
and, once again, thank the many people who entrusted me to come back to the
House and represent them here for the next four years.
In
particular this time, in addition to my constituents as a whole, I'd like to
thank in particular my volunteers, without whom, of course I certainly
appreciate every hour of the day and night they've given me, not just during
the election, but throughout the entire duration I've been in politics. So a
special hats off to you.
I'd
like to say, as an Irish Newfoundlander, happy St. Patrick's Day to everyone
across the province today, Madam Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS. PERRY:
Today actually is my
father's birthday. Had my father still been living, he would be 96 years old
today. He was 50 when I came along, so I'm really a good Irish Catholic.
Come from good stock, actually, from up the Southern Shore.
So I
hope everyone does enjoy St. Patrick's Day and everyone pays attention and
are sure not to drink and drive tonight. Anyone who is going out to enjoy
the festivities, make sure you have some rides arranged coming home and I
hope you manage to get a great scoff and a scuff tonight.
Madam Chair, Interim Supply debate is a very important one, of course,
because it allows the government to access funds for the first three months
of this fiscal year, coming April, May and June, while the actual budget for
2016-2017 is being debated here in the House. During that time, of course,
people need to get paid, programs still need to continue and investments
still need to be made in industry. So it's very important it passes
expeditiously, and I certainly will have no problem supporting this bill
when we get to the vote.
In
terms of some of the investments, Madam Chair, that governments make and
I'd like to talk a little bit about the industrial ones and about my
District of Fortune Bay Cape La Hune, which has benefited greatly from
innovation in the aquaculture sector. As a young person, when I graduated
from high school there were no options at the time. It was go to the
mainland. I bucked that trend, myself and many friends of mine, because at
the time aquaculture was just beginning, and fortunately for all of us we
were able to stay living at home.
I'm
very pleased that a large number of my close friends, we'd get up in the
morning we had a routine when I went to school. We all lived on the same
street. My friend would come to my house, two of us would go to the next
house, then three of us would go to the fourth house and a fifth friend
would meet us there. Every day we walked to school together. Of the five of
us, four of us are still living home in Bay d'Espoir. To be able to say that
for a girl of my generation, I'm quite proud and quite happy of how my
region has managed to sustain itself, Madam Chair.
We
look forward to continued growth in aquaculture in my district and across
the province. I believe it certainly is a crucial part of the fishery of the
future and one that deserves our support. It's important, of course, Madam
Chair, to all of us that it is developed in a sustainable manner. I do
believe it is an industry that will provide rural employment for generations
and generations and generations to come. I look forward to the Minister of
Fisheries and Aquaculture coming to visit us in the very near future to see
first-hand just what an impact it has made on the well-being of our people.
Madam Chair, I'm going to talk a little bit as well today about the
importance I mentioned just a little while ago how important it is that
Interim Supply be passed expeditiously. I'd like to say before I sit down
we don't have much time here today it's equally important that budget
2016-2017 be passed expeditiously. I have to say, as a resident, I'm very
concerned that we may find ourselves waiting until May before the provincial
budget comes down because
AN HON. MEMBER:
What about last year?
MS. PERRY:
It was April. It was late
last year as well. The difference between last year and this year is people
are sitting on pins and needles. They don't know if they have a job
post-budget. They're not spending money. That is declining the amount of
disposable income that we're seeing in our retail sector and in our
restaurants.
I do
look forward to you bringing in the budget. I do implore that you do
whatever you can to bring it in as quickly as possible so that the
bond-rating agencies can take a look and make a decision about the future,
so that people can make a decision about whether or not they're going to buy
that new car. It's absolutely crucial.
The
mental anguish, Madam Chair, you can feel it walking around Confederation
Building. This is my ninth year here in the House of Assembly and in
Confederation Building. I have never felt the tension that I'm feeling
walking through the halls here today. I find it very disturbing. My heart
goes out to them very much.
All
of us as politicians, we know what it's like, especially those of us who
come to this as a profession as opposed to a second career. If you don't get
re-elected, you don't have a job. So you can really relate to the pain these
people are feeling. I think it's cruel to drag that out into May. I think
the federal budget comes down on March 22 and I'd like to see ours come
within a few days of it.
Madam Chair, I would even like to see us keep the House open right through
Easter, not take an Easter break. This is too important to the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador. We should sit here. That budget should come down
during Easter and people should be able to move on with their lives.
I
will take my place now, Madam Chair, and remind you of the promise you made
to the people. You told them you had a plan. We want to see that plan. You
told them they'd like the plan, and I really hope they like the plan. I
really hope Wall Street likes the plan, because it's important to each and
every one of us who lives here.
Please, Mr. Chair Madam Chair, my apologies. It's taking some getting used
to but we are absolutely delighted, Madam Chair, to have you in the chair. I
will get the hang of Madam Chair. It sounds really great.
Please, I ask the government, work quickly to bring the budget down. Do
everything you can to bring the budget down as quickly as possible so people
can get on with their futures, determine whether or not they can stay living
in Newfoundland and Labrador or if they have to go somewhere else to look
for a job.
It's
a crucial time in our history and we look forward to the plan that you're
going to bring down and we truly do hope it's something we will all like.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
CHAIR:
Order, please!
The
hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.
MR. TRIMPER:
Thank you very much,
Madam Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. TRIMPER:
At least these guys have
a chance to see that I do speak.
I
haven't had a question yet, but it's great to rise and speak on this bill.
AN HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR. TRIMPER:
I bet you are; I can't
wait. I shouldn't be inviting that.
What
I thought I would talk about today is what we're all here about, which is we
are a reflection of our experience. I've had some interesting experience in
my career and I sometimes wonder how I find myself in this chair, but
anyway, I'm enjoying the adventure and I'm very glad to be here.
First of all, before I go into talking about finances and so on I just want
to thank all of the supporters I had in Lake Melville; actually, throughout
Labrador and throughout the province. It was like some others of my
colleagues, it was a long run. After winning the candidacy for myself back
in 2014, I left my job and started focusing on this. So it's good to finally
be here speaking about this.
What
I thought I'd talk about in terms of Interim Supply is since we're talking
about money, I thought I would talk about financial structures. In
particular, I have three terms I'm going to speak about. One is chaos, next
is change and, finally, stability.
What
I thought I'd give you as an example of chaos is the 14 years that I spent
in what was formerly the Soviet Union and Russia. If you want to see chaos
around financial structures and systems gone wrong, you only have to look
and live what went on in that country.
I
started working there in 1990. At the time, the whole region had enjoyed
some 70-plus years of communism, where every day for all of those 70 years
you knew exactly what you were going to spend on a loaf of bread, you knew
exactly how much money you were going to make. Salaries were allocated a
square foot for an apartment and so on. Everything was extremely regimented.
It was totally insular to what was going on in the rest of the world, such
that when perestroika and glasnost occurred and Mr. Gorbachev came along, it
came with a huge upheaval.
I
feel very lucky to have lived through that time. As I said, I started there
in 1990 at the height of perestroika. Just by way of example, I found that
we would go over there and as we converted money and I remember one time
going in with $200 Canadian, and as I cashed this into rubles I was handed
stacks of money. Because as the government opened itself up under the utter
chaos they had been dealing with over the last seven decades, it just wasn't
prepared. So the denominations on the bill couldn't even keep up with the
hyperinflation that was happening.
While I don't anticipate this kind of fallout from what we just dealt with
in the last 10, 13 years, I do anticipate that there will be some
restructuring; but back to the Soviet Union and Russia. Two hundred dollars
would give us two stacks of rubles that we literally had to carry in a bag.
The Russians called it cabbage. So all of us Canadians all of a sudden felt
very wealthy.
With
it came, of course, a whole bunch of different systems and structures around
values in society. Doctors, teachers and so on were suddenly making less
than waiters and chauffeurs. If you didn't have access to foreign currency
you were now second-class, if not third-class, citizens. It was an amazing
upheaval. It was a great experience. I stopped working there in 2004 when
Mr. Putin came along.
In
terms of change, and now bringing it back home a little bit, I want to talk
a little bit about Labrador and its history, how it went from a barter
economy, which was essentially fur, sealing, fish, maybe berries although
I doubt if that was traded for goods. Money and currency was almost unheard
of, especially in Labrador, and that's not until approximately the early
1940s with the development of the air base at Goose Bay. With that, and
overnight seemingly, people gave up that traditional lifestyle of working
around a barter system and suddenly were able to enjoy a salary in order to
enjoy some independence and were able to enjoy a lot of the stability the
rest of the country had been experiencing for probably a century or more. It
came as a huge shock to Labrador; they've adjusted and gone forward.
What
I wanted to roll that into, of course, was then stability. Further, on 5
Wing Goose Bay and the importance of that base, it's been a big part of my
life. Since 2003, we started what was called the Goose Bay Citizens'
Coalition, which was trying to point out to federal and provincial
governments at the time and I'm going to throw a kudo across the floor to
the former premier, Danny Williams, who worked with myself and others as we
went to Ottawa that was a kudo and worked with Ottawa to actually find a
way forward for 5 Wing Goose Bay. At the time, foreign allies were spending
tens of millions of dollars, and for every dollar Canada was spending,
allies were spending another two or three. From a business perspective, it
made all the sense in the world. However, we could never convince National
Defence of this.
It's
business cases in situations like that that have frustrated me in the past.
Frankly, at the end of the day, if you can justify what you're doing, how
you're spending your money, you should be able to go forward.
What
I wanted to say is 5 Wing continues to be an important part of our economy.
It's probably generating some $70 million in direct investing from Ottawa.
With the spinoffs, I would say it would probably be in the vicinity of
doubling, tripling that. That goes for the same of a lot of our economies.
If I looked over to my colleague for Labrador West, certainly the mining
industry also does this. It generates a tremendous number of dollars with
spinoffs we enjoy here in our revenue and our coffers.
Recognizing the importance of those industries is an extremely important
role for government, as well as anyone else citizenry and so on. So as
you're going forward of any kind of decision we need to make sure the
economy can continue to function, that government doesn't get in the way of
it, that it actually encourages it, supports it. It doesn't need to
necessarily direct it.
So
those are some thoughts on Interim Supply. I see I have three minutes left,
so I guess I'm supposed to stand and keep talking. Perhaps I'll just say
thank you to everybody else. That was my maiden stand up, so thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay South.
MR. PETTEN:
Thank you, Madam Chair.
As
it was the hon. minister's first time to his feet, this is my first time
speaking in debate.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. PETTEN:
It's a pleasure to speak
on Interim Supply, thank you.
He
mentioned cabbage. The last time I bought a head of cabbage it was $6, so
I'm not sure what cabbage he's referring to. It's not the same stuff I'm
familiar with.
I
first want to congratulate all the Members on their election to the House,
and especially new Members like myself. It is a pleasure to be here. I look
forward to much debate in the coming years. Hopefully, we can all make a
difference.
We
are speaking on Interim Supply money. During the election I used to go to
door after door and people would ask the question: What did your government
what happened to all the money? It was $20 billion or $25 billion? That
number always floats. I struggled with it at first because I knew there were
good investments made, but you almost had to get your script prepared type
thing because you knew you would be asked the question. It came over and
over again. I never did feel there were any real bad investments, but it was
a good question.
So
as I continued on during the election, I kept thinking, I need to get more
prepared for the question because it did come up, like I said, day after
day. I know from my own district when I look around and I go up to the new
arena, we have a new town hall and we have a new fire hall and Manuels River
Hibernia Interpretation Centre, a beautiful state-of-the-art facility. If
you go outside my district I go to every district throughout the province
and there's always a new road. There's a new building. There are recreation
facilities. I look around and I think these are sound investments.
I
gestured yesterday to the Minister of Fisheries about his amalgamated
District of Carbonear Trinity Bay de Verde, and you don't have to drive
through Carbonear very far to find that there are massive investments in
that district. So I guess it's fine to say: Where did you spend the money?
But my question and it has always been one of them ones, and I've said it
to many people opposite: Are they not sound investments? What's so bad about
those investments?
It's
fine to say sometimes that you would spend it elsewhere. That's fair enough.
That's why the government here now will make those decisions and we'll
critique it for days on end. There was a lot of money spent and a lot of
people have opinions on where we could have done better. That's fair play.
Another thing I noticed I had the privilege in my previous life of serving
under a couple of ministers. I got a bit of a crash course on expectations.
Oil was at $140 a barrel, I believe, when I first came to work with my
former MHA. It was unbelievable when you look at $140 a barrel, we were
running $2 billion surpluses, and at the same time there were people lined
up at the doors of Finance, basically, with demands.
I
sat in the boardroom with ministers and I heard the requests that came in.
It was hard to say no to any of those requests. When you're left with this
massive surplus, how can you say no to this community group or this
organization or or this municipality that are looking for that new arena? It
is fine to say it now because we're supposedly broke or we are broke, for
now, because of the price of oil plummeting. But then again when the good
times were here, it's hard to say no to those groups that come in looking
for money.
I
equate it sometimes I use analogies a lot, but I equate it sometimes when
you look at the person who won a lotto. They may be down on their luck and
they are struggling. They are struggling to find a place to live and they
hit the jackpot. The general public will sit back and say, oh yeah, they're
done for life. But when they buy that new home, they buy the new vehicle,
they get a trip and clothes to wear, so they are going to buy some, all of a
sudden that is not really much money any more, then they're struggling to
try to stretch that out to get into the next step in life.
I'm
49; I've lived in Newfoundland for years and years where we struggled to
survive financially. I know what it was like budget after budget. My own
family were affected by layoffs back in the '90s. Every second year you were
bumping, but we all got that and we all understood we were in a fiscal
struggle. We never had the benefit of oil in the '90s, but we finally found
our way and the revenues did start flowing and we did have money. But in
saying you have money, you still have a pent-up demand.
After all these years of being suppressed because it's no good of anyone
coming over to you guys now looking for money because we hear every day
we're $2 billion deficit, fair enough. If you carry that for five years and
all of a sudden you had a big surplus, rest assured they'll be lined up at
the door. That's the fact of the matter.
Sometimes you hear the negativity and, again, like I said, I've heard it
loud and clear. Do you know what? There's not been a government elected to
this House of Assembly that's not wasting money. So I wish you well in your
pursuit to not do that and I really sincerely mean that, but I know that
at the end of the day there will be lots of fingers pointing that way, too.
As
long as the decisions are made, when you come up with your budget, as long
as you make sound, financial decisions that are not going to shock the
economy, shock people, I guess it's something that we'll have to wait and
see. I mean, you're the government in power so you can do that.
I
want to finish off that's my rant on finances. I have lots of other issues
I will go into other times, but that was something that I said to my
colleague there for Cape St. Francis; I heard it at the doors over and over
again. It's an opportunity to stand up here and just kind of get it off your
chest. I know it's a play on words and it's popular to say it when you're on
that side, but, I don't know, there are a lot of great investments made to
the province. A lot of your Members now are the beneficiaries. Your
districts, the people of your districts are the beneficiaries to those
investments. I'm sure they all appreciate the investments that were made. I
don't think they would consider it to be a bad investment.
Madam Chair, my District of CBS has benefitted from a lot of those
investments. It's a beautiful district. It's still probably 70 per cent
rural, but it's become more I guess being 20 minutes outside the city, you
kind of get that transient population.
I
see every day the community is changing. I guess it's changing for the
better, but we have a lot of people don't want to lose the rural aspect of
it. They've come to CBS because it's only 20 minutes away, yet they can go
home in the evening and sit out, go on their quad and not have to worry
about being downtown and getting in trouble for driving down Water Street on
your quad. That's never that popular apparently.
MR. KENT:
And you can get an ice
cream at Bergs.
MR. PETTEN:
And you can get an ice
cream at Bergs. Yes, that's right. Where I live I can actually get on my
quad and go from my house. I really appreciate that.
Like
I said, CBS is a unique district in the sense that it's so close to the
city, yet it's so rural. It's a place that I've lived all my life and I'm
proud to call home.
I'm
also very pleased the people in CBS gave me the opportunity to represent
them. It wasn't easy. I had to go two swipes at it. The first time I saw the
finish line but I tripped on the way. I'd like to say, the second time I
pulled out all the stops. I went for broke on my second bid and that almost
cost me my life, too.
In
saying that, it's a pleasure to get up here and speak. My time is running
low. I could go into lots of other topics which I'll do another day, but one
final point I'll make in closing.
Conception Bay South has a large seniors population, as a lot of districts
do. I know we have a lot of seniors in CBS. One of my platforms in the
election was an advocate for seniors.
You're not going to solve their problems. I've had the pleasure so far in
the short time I've been elected, actually, to personally deal with a lot of
seniors. It's something that I've really enjoyed. It's great helping seniors
because you're not really helping these are programs that are in place.
They just don't know where to find these programs.
You
walk a senior in through the front door of this building, it's like you're
after putting them into a maze. I get that. My own mother, you wouldn't get
her out to this building for that.
It
is a real treat to help seniors. I really enjoy it and it's something I look
forward to doing during my term. I have other things that I will be paying a
lot more attention to, especially my district. On that note, I'll finish up
for now.
Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
The
hon. the Member for Stephenville Port au Port.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. FINN:
Thank you, Madam Chair.
It's
a pleasure to get up and speak for the first time, other than a Member's
statement just last week, and speak to the importance of the Interim Supply
bill.
Madam Chair, first of all I'd just like to acknowledge a great gratitude and
thanks to the people of Stephenville Port au Port who supported me in
becoming the newest Member for the district.
Just
70 years ago, actually, my grandfather sat in the national convention, the
very first representative of the Port au Port District, which is now known
as Stephenville Port au Port. So 70 years ago my grandfather had this role
and I'm proud to now take it on myself.
In
speaking to the Interim Supply bill, it's very necessary of course. We have
to administer funds for the ongoing efforts of government with respect to
supplying programs and services.
I
find it quite interesting, just Tuesday when we were debating this bill a
couple of Members opposite, there was some acknowledgement of working
together. I believe the Member for Mount Pearl Southlands acknowledged the
Member for Mount Pearl North, and there was recognition of working together.
Of course, we're all in this together and we're all very much well aware of
that. You can see the love right now between the two Members. There you go.
I'm
quite happy to be here and to work together with all of my colleagues. I
must say, representing the West Coast and the West Coast area, we have a
great team of individuals: the Member for Bay of Islands; St. George's
Humber, my colleague, Mr. Reid; we have the Member for Burgeo La Poile;
St. Barbe L'Anse aux Meadows; and as well the hon. Premier, all
representing the West Coast. I'm very proud to be a part of that team and
very proud to work with these individuals.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. FINN:
Not only have they given
me much advice and wisdom in the months leading up to the election and so
on, and continuing to do so, but it's great to work alongside with them in
representing the great West Coast.
When
we talk about the Interim Supply bill, we're talking about keeping the funds
going. One of the things I find quite troubling is the references from the
Members opposite about the Government Renewal Imitative. They're constantly
referring to this fact that there's this 15-month road tour, and this
15-month plan and so on and so forth. Well, I just find it really troubling
that they keep touting that as a reason that we're not doing something.
Well, we're actually doing everything we can. We're reaching out to all the
people of the province for their input right now.
The
Minister of Finance referenced just yesterday, we've had up to 1,800 unique
ideas alone on our Dialogue App. I think the Government Renewal Initiative
is very important. It's very interesting, Members opposite suddenly the
electorate has put them opposite and now they have all the answers. They
suddenly have all the answers and they're not quite sure why we're doing
this Government Renewal Initiative. Well, if they didn't leave us with such
a deficit we probably wouldn't have to go to a Government Renewal Initiative
to seek input.
The
Member yesterday for St. John's East Quidi Vidi, spoke about the fact
we're all elected and we're all elected to show leadership and that's why
the public takes care of our paycheques. We're all elected to show
leadership. What leadership can we show? She went further to reference the
fact that health care is important and education is important. No one's
going to argue that health care and education are important services. I
don't think we'd get any argument from anyone of the 40 Members in this room
today that those two services are important.
When
you refer to the fact that we're now looking at sweeping cuts of 30 per cent
across the board, well, the reality is we're not looking at sweeping cuts of
30 per cent across the board. I don't know how long they can continue to
reference that. In fact, the idea was put forth from the Minister of Finance
specifically suggesting that departments get creative in looking, if they
had to cut 30 per cent. There was no specific reference to cutting 30 per
cent across the board. This was merely an exercise in looking at ways in
which we can save money. In doing so, we're asking all departments to be
creative in looking at that. There was no suggestion of sweeping cuts of 30
per cent across the board.
It's
quite funny when you talk about money, one thing that sticks out to me in my
district in particular and for Members who would have been paying attention
to the media, we had an oil leak in Port au Port Bay, a very, very sensitive
issue. We had oil leaking from a cracked-off pipe that was in the ground for
years and years and years and the government of the day couldn't really
determine who had that oil lease and who had the ownership of that well.
At
that time, I believe it was in June, the then minister of Environment
wouldn't take the time to come to Port au Port to see it. Around the same
time they happened to send the minister of Transportation and Works to
Romania to christen a ferry. It's just troubling for me, as a Member for
Stephenville Port au Port with a very sensitive issue in my district with
respect to environmental disaster, we couldn't send the minister of
Environment over to look at some oil in Port au Port Bay, but we had no
trouble spending $10,000 to send someone to Romania to christen a ferry that
didn't work anyway. Again, very troubling when you talk about waste of
money.
The
Member for Conception Bay South just acknowledged it's always good to see
what some of the good work is in the district, and there's always a new road
and this sort of thing. Well, there's always a new road, and there's always
going to be a road that needs to have work done on that road. I'm very proud
to sit here with my colleagues and our Minister of Transportation and Works
to acknowledge we have a multi-year infrastructure plan in place. The plan
is in place to take the politics out of pavement, and to take the politics
out of asphalt.
Laying out a plan is what's important, and it's what's important to the
people when you talk about being financially responsible and acknowledging
that every district has work to be done and we need to do so on a priority
basis.
The
Member for CBS also just mentioned there has not been a government that has
been elected that is not wasting money. For the last number of days we've
heard in Question Period from Members opposite with respect to questioning
the Minister of Finance over the savings of $100 million. Again, it is
troubling that it takes three days in a row to ask the same questions around
$100 million when we're over here tackling a $2 billion deficit. I really
find it hard to fathom how they can get up and ask these questions full well
knowing they had every responsibility and every effort to ensure we weren't
left in this position.
I
just look at they're suggesting we're not showing leadership and we haven't
done things to date. Well, since taking office on November 30 we've done
numerous things to show leadership to the people of this province. Our
Premier acknowledged in December and put out in the public eye the financial
updates reflecting exactly where the circumstances were with the province
after having sent letters to the former premier in September of the same
year asking for a current fiscal update.
So
here we are asking for information on where the province stands today, we're
not getting any responses and then within three weeks of being elected we're
laying it out there for everyone to see.
Secondly, what we've done as a government to show leadership, to save money,
we've eliminated the funds for the parliamentary secretaries and
parliamentary assistants. We've done that measure. We've also reduced and
taken back some of their stances on taking the pensions and the overpayments
back from our seniors. I mean, how terrible is it, you're over there talking
about wasting money and then we're going to go turn around and get it on the
backs of our seniors of our province. It's just unbelievable to think that
was even a thought.
It
is very easy to just look and say, you know what, some overpayments were
made. How can you go to anyone who is a senior in this province, who's lived
and worked their entire life and paid taxes, and now go back and say, well,
you had an overpayment, we need to get a few dollars back from you? It's
just unfathomable.
So,
again, in acknowledging our seniors, we've made that effort. We've also
reduced the funds from the parliamentary secretary positions as well. Of
course, this has to be a long-term plan. The Minister of Finance has
acknowledged that there are short-term efforts; there's medium term and
there's long term as well. The very first effort is going to be when we
present our budget 2016.
This
is something that we were doing during our Government Renewal Initiative in
consultation with all of the public of the province to receive their input.
It's not simply just one of these Office of Public Engagement sessions that
the Members opposite used to hold where you'd push a clicker, push a button
and rank your ideas. There's no such thing as ranking your ideas here. We're
opening to receiving all ideas as a part of being an open, transparent and
accountable government.
In
conclusion and I know that time is getting short there the Interim
Supply bill is a very necessary initiative. We need to keep the programs and
services going for the residents of the province. It's something that's very
important. We all know that this is just a necessary means right now to
improve the Interim Supply bill. Of course moving forward, our budget 2016
will outline a plan moving forward for the medium-, short- and long-term
goals of this province.
I'd
like to thank you, Madam Chair, for giving me the opportunity to speak
today.
Thank you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for
Cape St. Francis.
MR. K. PARSONS:
Thank you very much.
I'd
like to congratulate the Member that just got up before me. A great job on
your first speech here in the House of Assembly. Good job.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. K. PARSONS:
Also, I would like to
congratulate my colleague for CBS here on the side of me. I think he did a
good job. People don't realize how difficult it is to get up sometimes and
just speak in here. It's not as easy as people you're sat in the House;
you're doing nothing at all. It's a bit difficult sometimes. I congratulate
you for getting up and doing your job today and being part of this debate.
It's
so important that we do what we do here because it is a debate. I'll argue
with some of the points that you just made and disagree with you, but do you
know something? That's what this is all a part of and it's the reason we're
here in the House of Assembly. We all have different opinions.
At
the end of the day, it's one thing we all have to be the main thing is the
people of Newfoundland and Labrador. I believe that's the reason why we're
all here. I hope everybody is here for the same reasons. It's a good job
today with the new people that came in.
It's
all about doing our best. We're here to represent our districts. We do our
best for our districts. We have people in our districts that need our help.
That's the reason we should be here. I look forward to approaching any of
the ministers or any of the people over on the other side and asking for
that help. That's the reason why I'm here. I hope that you'll be receptive
to whatever I ask for. Sometimes it's a simple little thing that we can do
to help people, but it's a big thing for the person that we help.
Madam Chair, I have to say again, it's a great privilege just to get up here
today to speak to my District of Cape St. Francis. There are opportunities
during this session that we'll all get. When you're finalized you'll be
after getting up about four or five times. You'll be after speaking on
everything that we can speak on when it comes to budget and Interim Supply
and everything else. So it's a good opportunity to get up and be able to
express our opinion and people can see what we're all about.
I'm
very proud of one thing that happened in the last election. We're doing a
great commemoration here of 100 years of Beaumont-Hamel this year. We all
have to look at the people who came before us and what they did so we could
be here sat in the House of Assembly. The right to vote is a very important
part. I can remember my dad and mom I can tell you right now we all voted
because it was a right that they and their forefathers before them gave us,
that right to be able to vote.
This
past election sometimes we all do our best to get the vote out and
everything else, but I'm very proud of what happened in my district the last
time: 71 per cent of the people got out in Cape St. Francis. I'd like to see
it at 91 per cent. I'd like to see 100 per cent, but that was the highest in
the province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. K. PARSONS:
I have to say, the
Member for Fortune Bay Cape La Hune was a close second.
It's
important because when you look at districts in the province I really
believe, no matter what side of the House we're on, what side of the fence
we're on, it's something that we really have to make sure we do because to
exercise the right to vote is so important.
I
found this time in my election, I saw more young people get out to vote,
which is fantastic. Because the more that we can engage our youth to get out
and vote, the more they'll get engaged in what we're doing. So it's very
important that we really do that. It's nice to see that we do that and make
sure that I tell you how it works are your volunteers. They really are the
people who get the people out to vote. As we all know, we wouldn't be able
to do anything without the volunteers. They call people and do everything
else.
I
hope there's some way we can promote it a little bit more. I hope that
people who watch us here in the House of Assembly want to be engaged and
become part of the political system. The biggest way to become part of it is
to get out and vote. Like I said, 71 per cent, I am very proud. I would like
for it to be 91 or 100, but it's very, very good.
Madam Chair, I sat on that side of the House. I also sat on this side of the
House when we had that many members that we had to sit on this side of the
House. So I've been sitting on both sides of the House, beforehand. It's a
new job for us. We're getting used to it. We're here now, this is our second
week. We're getting used to it. As a Member, I have some portfolios that I
have to be the official spokesperson for as part of the Opposition Party.
I'm very proud of what I have to do because I really look forward to doing
it. It's important to me. I have Municipal Affairs, I have Fisheries and
I've had dialogues with both ministers so far Service NL and workers'
comp.
I
just want to talk a little bit today about Municipal Affairs. It strikes
home to me being the former Mayor of Flatrock, my dad being the first Mayor
of Flatrock, I'm always proud to say that he was and I'm following in his
footsteps. It's so important municipalities over the years had to
struggle.
I
can remember when I was Mayor of Flatrock and we were looking for a fire
truck. The split at that time was 50-50. The fire truck was $240,000, so for
a small town the size of Flatrock we had to come up with half the money. At
that time it was a big decision. We debated at council whether we were going
to do it or not. We ended up doing it. The minister at the time was my
former good friend and former colleague and I'm sure a lot of people in
this House that knew him respected him. It was the late Jack Byrne. We ended
up getting a new fire truck.
At
that time, 50-50 was so huge. We had a budget of $450,000 and all of a
sudden one item on that budget, which was a fire truck a safety issue,
something that we needed, it was very, very important was $125,000 for the
Town of Flatrock to be able to invest.
Municipalities across the province since and, again, I heard my colleague
for CBS talk about different things that happened in his district and where
we're spending money. I believe the investments we've made in municipalities
in Newfoundland and Labrador is huge. Rural Newfoundland and Labrador needed
a 90-10, they needed an 80-20 and communities needed 70-30 because they just
couldn't afford it. We only have one taxpayer in this province. Three levels
of government, but just one taxpayer. It's important we don't download our
services to municipalities across the province because these are volunteers.
I
always say when I'm finished this part of it I intend to go back and serve
on council. I don't know if I'll be a mayor again, but I really enjoyed my
stay with it because you're really at the ground level. You're really at the
level where if people want to put a shed in their backyard or whatever it
is, it's important to everybody. It's nice to be involved in your
communities, especially in small communities right across the province,
because there are only so few people that really want to step up and do it.
It's
important that these volunteers that are in the small communities of rural
Newfoundland have our support. So some of the questions I asked to the
Minister of Municipal Affairs today and he gave me answers. I don't think
he's going to touch the ratios. I hope he's not.
Even
the money last year that was allotted for Municipal Operating Grants, it's
so important. We've been at this for a long, long while and it's
unbelievable that in this day and age I'm not blaming it on anybody
there's not safe and clean drinking water in our communities. It's very
important these investments be made so that people do have safe, clean
drinking water. It's almost like it's a right and everybody should have it.
There are so many communities across the province that don't have it today.
I hope we don't just cut it off and say, that's it, times are tough and we
can't afford to do this and can't afford to do that. We have to look at the
priorities in the communities.
I
understand there's going to be some issues with communities that are looking
for things that maybe are not top priority, like drinking water, that we
have to have a look at. But there's a lot of things that our communities and
municipalities right across the province of Newfoundland supply to our
residents that are key and important to the residents in those communities.
We
can't cut those services because that's the last stage. Once we download
stuff to our municipalities we're going to be cutting. Like I said, there's
only one taxpayer. If you look this year at the Municipal Assessment Agency
and I was pleased in the Throne Speech that they mentioned they are going
to review it because it really does need to be reviewed. Look at St. John's
alone and the turmoil that it caused, even in communities like mine, because
it's about four years and so much can change in those four years when they
get the assessments done.
It's
important that there's some kind of mechanism in place so it can be done
quicker and it can be done fairer. Sometimes when we experience what we
experienced over the last couple of years, where there's a downturn in the
economy and stuff like that happens, it's important that people in
municipalities don't get to feel the brunt of everything.
As
we go forward, I'm hoping the Minister of Municipal Affairs will do the
proper thing and make sure that municipalities right across the province are
taken care of. As far as I'm concerned, it's the backbone of our whole
economy. It's the backbone of who we are as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians
that we survive.
We
can't expect taxpayers in rural Newfoundland who, mainly seniors a lot of
people are moving out of these communities have to foot the bill for a lot
of things that are in their communities. So it's important that we keep the
90-10, the 80-20 and the 70-30 ratios. It's also very important the $22
million we promised last year that they were so happy with and so pleased
to get that $22 million that we ensure that is continued for
municipalities.
I'm
cutting down on my time now. As far as I'm concerned, Madam Chair, the
municipal leaders in our province are the key to our
CHAIR:
Order, please!
MR. K. PARSONS:
They're the key to
our communities and it's important that we support them.
Thank you very much.
CHAIR:
I remind the Member his
time has expired.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for
Terra Nova.
MR. HOLLOWAY:
Thank you, Madam Chair.
There are a lot of (inaudible) today. First, I'm really proud to stand up
and speak in favour of this bill.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HOLLOWAY:
As some of the Members
opposite would quickly realize, not too long ago I was actually working in
the public service. As I look across, two of the Members opposite were
actually ministers for a department that I've worked for. It's an
interesting place to be now, Madam Chair, to be on the government side and
to talk about the need to support the things that are going on in this
province.
We
have some tremendous people that are working in the public service. I was
very proud to be working there for more than 26 years helping communities,
helping individuals, working with voluntary organizations to do some very
great work that is being provided by the people of this province and the
taxes that they pay.
I
just wanted to talk a little bit today about some of the services that are
provided beyond the public service, and talk about some of the agencies, the
boards and the commissions. In particular, I want to talk about the family
resource centres in the province and specifically the one in my region, in
my District of Terra Nova, the Neighbourhood of Friends Family Resource
Centre.
The
Neighbourhood of Friends Family Resource Centre actually started out as a
literacy centre. In 1998, we had the Strategic Social Plan for this
province. The intent of the Strategic Social Plan was really to break down
the silos in government. It's interesting to see that over the last 10
years, all those silos have come up and departments have started to work in
isolation. We know that today as a government we have to break down some of
those silos again.
During the Strategic Social Plan days, volunteers, government departments
and regions would come together and talk about some of the core issues that
were impacting sustainability of our rural regions. I was thinking as the
Member opposite was talking about rural Newfoundland and rural
sustainability because it's keenly important to someone like me and one of
the reasons that I chose to run for office and to be elected as an MHA for
Terra Nova. Rural sustainability is actually sustainability of this
province.
So
the role of the regional steering committees after 1998 was to really come
together and government departments to come together, and to talk about what
are those core social and economic issues. Madam Chair, you can't grow the
economy of this province without thinking about the impacts on the social
side of our communities and our regions. They go hand in hand. These
regional steering committees would come together on a regular basis and they
would develop a regional work plan.
One
of the things that we quickly realized I'm thinking back now, this is
2001. As we go into 2003, we quickly realized that there was a need to
support families with children in this province. There were family resource
centres that were being created in other districts, other regions of the
province. What I was finding in my district was that there was a gap. So we
were working with some of our partners in education and in health care in
terms of identifying some dollars that could provide those necessary
programs and services to those families and those children.
I'm
grateful to say that we were able to partner with the Newfoundland and
Labrador Housing Corporation. They were able to provide a housing unit in
Clarenville. So we were able to start to provide some necessary services to
underprivileged families who were struggling, children in particular who
were having some difficulties after school and certainly during school so
that we could enhance the kind of services and supports and relationships
that were going on in those family environments. I'm very proud to say that
we did some really great work.
Yesterday, in the lobby of the West Block we had the Food Security Network.
We also had the Kids Eat Smart. It reminded me of the days when I was
involved with the Family Resource Centre where we partnered with Kids Eat
Smart. We were able to leverage some dollars from various government
departments and we were able to work with Kids Eat Smart. We were able to
offer Homework Haven, but provide nutritious food to some of the kids who
were able to come and participate. We were able to partner with the
colleges, in particular the College of the North Atlantic, so that they
could come and offer tutoring services to those children.
Now,
over time, Madam Chair, what we found was that our success and the success
of the families caused our numbers to grow. So we were forced, if you will,
to move to another part of the community. Now, that's a very good thing when
you're helping people achieve positive results.
We
think about the sustainability of this province. One of the foundations and
one of the things I spent a lot of time at in my early days as a public
servant was I was helping kids and families nurture their skills and
abilities so that they could become active and proactive members in our
community. So it was a good investment of the dollars that we had and the
dollars that we're talking about here today in terms of the investment into
communities, investment into families and investment into children of the
future.
We
moved to another part of the community. We decided to do some outreach. Our
outreach decided to go beyond Clarenville. We went to Random Island. We went
to South West Arm. We went to Swift Current. We went to Arnold's Cove and
Come By Chance because there was a great need that was happening.
We
partnered with the school board. We didn't want to and one of the things
that we will do as a government is we're not going to waste money. We're
going to spend money wisely. One of the things we did at that time, Madam
Chair, was we actually partnered with the schools so that we didn't have to
pay rent. That could reduce some of the cost to the Neighbourhood of Friends
Family Resource Centre.
We
could put those necessary dollars right into the programs and the services
that were needed for those children and those families. We decided to hire
some early childhood educators, because we wanted to enhance the programs
that we were going to offer, and we wanted to enhance the services we were
providing to those families.
One
of the things that came to our attention at the time was we were initially
in a low-income neighbourhood and there was a dilapidated playground in the
area. So we had some of the families in the area saying it would be great if
we could work with Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation, work with
our community partners and if we could actually do something about that
playground. I can say, Madam Chair, I'm very proud of the role the community
played.
I'm
sure Members opposite and my colleagues on this side of the House would
recall or know about Let Them Be Kids. They're a fantastic organization;
they've helped build many playgrounds across this province. Well, the very
first playground they built in this province was actually in Clarenville. It
was a playground build and revitalization project I was very proud to be a
part of.
We
brought together the community, we partnered with the Department of
Municipal Affairs and with Recreation, and we brought in youth who were part
of the project, and at the end of a weekend we built a brand-new playground
for that neighbourhood. It was a really good investment of some limited
dollars, but some great dollars.
It's
a playground that continues to survive today. It's about seven years since
we did that. The community itself, one of the things it did, it created
pride. We also at the time realized the neighbourhood and the people in the
neighbourhood didn't have a lot of pride for where they were living. Doing
investments, making those right kind of investments in those sorts of
neighbourhoods really helps build pride because it shows government, it
shows the community, is keenly interested in everybody in this province. I
certainly was very much proud to be a part of that.
The
Family Resource Centre and I know I'm down to my last minute. The Family
Resource Centre itself has been a tremendous success. They help over 900
kids and families in various locations, as I mentioned earlier, which is
tremendous. It's a great investment of the dollars we have.
It's
important we speak in favour of this bill; we continue to support the
wonderful services and programs that are needed in this province, and
certainly those that are being provided for kids and for families.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for
St. John's Centre.
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you very much,
Madam Chair.
Doesn't that have a great ring to it? I'm very happy to stand and speak to
Address in Reply again.
I
would like to take this opportunity to talk about the issue of the appointed
school board trustees. School board trustees are very, very important in our
whole democratic process, particularly how we deliver education to our
children. School board trustees are elected by the community; they are
members of the community. When the community elects them, the community is
saying to the board we entrust to you the concerns and the educational needs
of our children; we entrust to you to make good decisions on our behalf.
I'd
like to thank those who are currently on the school board the trustees
that are on the school board. They were elected in 2009 and their term was
for four years. There hasn't been an election since. So they've been on the
board for seven years, an unusually long period of time.
When
government amalgamated all the school boards, what they did is they just
appointed these trustees. There hasn't been an election. The Minister of
Education promises there will be an election; however, in the interim some
very, very, very important decisions are going to be made. These decisions
affect communities; they affect the lives of children. These decisions are
being made by trustees who have been appointed, trustees who no longer come
from a democratic process of being elected by their communities to best
represent the needs of their children.
I do
trust that these trustees probably have the best interests of children at
heart and our educational system, but this is a violation of our democratic
process. Again, I thank them for their time, for their expertise and for
their willingness to step up.
I'd
like to talk a little bit about what's happening with the potential closure
of Holy Cross Junior High which is in my district. Holy Cross Junior High is
a small school. Right now there are 108 students. They are grade seven,
eight and nine. The majority of children come from the inner city. They all
come from city centre. There are a lot of children that come from families
that face really challenging socio-economic challenges really challenging
ones. This school is so dedicated to providing the best resources possible
to these children.
Mr.
Chair it's now, Mr. Chair. I have a stack of letters that parents and
guardians because there are a number of children at the school who may not
be living with their parents. They may be living in foster care or they may
be living with their grandparents who are their guardians now or with other
family members who are so determined
CHAIR (Lane):
Order, please!
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Chair.
They
are so determined to make sure that Holy Cross doesn't close. Why is that
important? It's important because many of these children need the extra
supports.
Mr.
Chair, 38 per cent of the children at Holy Cross Junior High have
exceptionalities. I know that there are many retired teachers and educators
here in this House now. They know what that means to have 38 per cent of
your school population with exceptionalities.
I
would like to read for you from a letter, if I'm permitted, from a parent of
two children who are in grade seven. Their parent wrote a letter about why
they feel Holy Cross is so important, and why it's so important to keep it
open. They said that Holy Cross Junior High was within walking distance of
almost all its students. The students aren't bused and there are several
after-school activities that are provided.
This
is about keeping some of these kids off the streets. They have a student
leadership group. They have an Allied Youth group. They have cheerleading.
They have recycling. They have a drama group. They have a school yearbook
committee. They have hockey, basketball, volleyball and baseball. They have
a robotics group. They do trips to the museum.
Last
night, Mr. Chair, there was a rally. It was attended by all of the
basketball teams from Holy Cross Junior High. Many of these children the
basketball team has a regulation of inclusivity. Everybody who wants to play
basketball gets to play everyone. This is about giving kids who do not
have access to a lot of money and other resources a chance to play, giving
them a chance to learn and making sure they have what they need in order to
learn and be successful within the educational environment.
There's a breakfast program. I attend a number of the breakfasts. A lot of
these kids come to school hungry. This school has won all kinds of awards
for the inclusivity and programs that they have. As well, every child wins
an award. They don't necessarily have to be the best; they simply have to
try.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
The
Chair is having difficulty hearing the hon. Member. I would ask all Members
to take their conversations outside.
Thank you.
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Chair.
One
of the important aspects as well for Holy Cross Junior High is that they
have developed a number of community partnerships. Among the community
partnerships they have developed is a tutoring program with the Froude
Avenue Community Centre. The kids can walk there at lunchtime, they can walk
there after school and they get free tutoring.
Mr.
Chair, I'm having a hard time hearing myself. Perhaps the Member for Mount
Pearl North might be able to give me a little space here to speak.
Thank you very much.
They
have a tutoring program as well with the Buckmasters Circle Community Centre
and with the Boys and Girls Club. Again, 38 per cent of the children in this
school have exceptionalities. They're kids who need this extra support.
When
they go to Brother Rice if their school is closed, they will be bused to
Brother Rice. All of them will be bused. Even though where they live right
now, from their kitchen windows they can see their school, they will be
bused to Brother Rice. They won't be able to attend after-school activities
at Brother Rice, nor will Froude Avenue be able to provide tutoring there.
We don't know what kinds of services are going to be provided. We do know,
though, that the services that are so integral to
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
MS. ROGERS:
Holy Cross Junior High will not be available to them at Brother Rice. We
cannot ignore the situation that 38 per cent of these children have
exceptionalities.
The
school team, the teachers, the principal, all of the staff at the school are
incredibly dedicated. They have dances and events for the kids. All of these
after-school activities are done voluntarily by the teachers.
A
number of the children have a hard time getting to school on time; however,
if they're a little bit late, they can still get themselves to school. By
being bused to Brother Rice, they will have to get to school earlier. If
they miss the bus they have no way to get to school. A lot of their parents
do not have cars. A lot of their parents cannot chauffer them to school.
This is also an issue of being able to get kids to the school, make sure
they're fed and make sure they have the services that they are providing.
This
present government has said that everything is on the table. There are some
things, Mr. Chair, that shouldn't be on the table: the education of some of
the most vulnerable. The children that attend Holy Cross Junior High are
among some of the most vulnerable children in our province.
These children have won the majority of the Fry Family Foundation
Scholarships, so something is working in this school. That's the issue. It's
not that it's just about moving somebody from one building to another; this
school is successful. It works for the children who attend it.
We
have to make sure, Mr. Chair, that the Liberals are not making children pay
for the mistakes of the Tories. That's what's happening.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
MS. ROGERS:
The Liberals will make
these children pay for the mistakes of the Tories. So if the community
school is closed down because of financial situations, these children are
being punished. Their families are being punished
CHAIR:
The hon. Member's time
has expired.
MS. ROGERS:
because of the sins of
the Tories.
CHAIR:
Order, please!
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Chair.
CHAIR:
The Chair recognizes the
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HAWKINS:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
It's
certainly my pleasure to stand in the House today and speak on behalf of
this bill. I'm going to try to take my 10 minutes sort of off the cuff and
talk about a few things that are important to me.
I
would like to acknowledge my hon. Members across the floor, and particularly
the former minister of Transportation and Works. When I became the Minister
of Transportation and Works, he's probably one of the first people that I
was in contact with. I thought it was pretty good because this can be a
working relationship.
It
was sort of baptism by fire because one of the first challenges I had was
one of my new ferries that came in, which was the
Veteran. Obviously, we know where
the ferry came from. I was so pleased that the minister was able to work
with me on that. We're working through that challenge.
When
the Premier called me and offered the Minister of Transportation and Works,
I was certainly honoured to be able to accept that. I knew it was going to
be a big challenge. We are facing a tremendous number of challenges as we
move forward as a government.
I'm
so pleased to be a part of this team. We have a strong team. We have a
fantastic Premier. We have a great, fantastic Minister of Finance. How can I
forget my Minister of Municipal Affairs? He is one of those guys that will
stick you when you least expect it and he will also compliment you when
you're doing something good. I would like to acknowledge my great friend,
the Minister of Municipal Affairs.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HAWKINS:
Mr. Chair, we are faced
with many challenges and one of the challenges that I'm faced with is having
to deal with a lot of the work that was not completed by the former
government. One of the challenges that I have, Mr. Chair, is the fact that I
have 1,500 requests for road repairs.
AN HON. MEMBER:
How much?
MR. HAWKINS:
One thousand five
hundred.
Mr.
Chair, do you realize that that 1,500 equates to about $1 billion?
Yesterday, my good colleague and friend stood and talked about a legacy
fund. Guess what would have happened? Twenty-five billion dollars in the
last 10 years in royalties and assets $25 billion if, for example, the
former government had a vision, even a small vision, imagine if just 4 per
cent of that amount had been put aside, just 4 per cent
AN HON. MEMBER:
Only four.
MR. HAWKINS:
Only 4 per cent, I would
have had $1 billion. I would have been able to complete every single request
for roads this year in a billion dollars. I'm telling you that really puts
it in perspective when we want to look at where we are financially, where we
are as a province to realize that we are over $2 billion in debt.
Mr.
Chair, I can assure the Member opposite that I'm looking forward to getting
up continually in this House to talk about the approach that we're going to
take. We are going to take an approach that's evidence-based. We are going
to do our research, and we are going to make sure that the services that we
provide to the people of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador will be
the best services possible under the circumstances and under the resources
that we have.
I
can tell you that as we continue to govern over the next four years, these
will become evident as we put in place measures whereby we can service the
people of this great province.
One
of the other areas that I'm concerned about is New Building Canada Fund. I
know that my colleague, the Minister of Municipal Affairs, had made
reference to it on two occasions where we've had $34.9 million that was in
the Small Communities Fund that was never accessed. As a matter of fact, it
was never applied for. So we are now in the process of putting together and
we're going through our infrastructure so that we can maximize the amount of
funding that's available under the New Building Canada Fund. I'm looking
forward to building that infrastructure and getting that in place.
Mr.
Chair, as we move forward as well, we are not going to take a partisan
approach to road repairs. One of the things we're going to do differently as
a government is we are going to base our decisions on evidence. We've
already had our regional directors that have come into our office, and we
are now looking at and asking our regional directors to go through an
exercise whereby we have criteria in place that we are going to make our
decisions on what roads are to be done and when they're going to be done.
Mr.
Chair, that will be quite different than what we've been used to. We don't
intend to spend money from this province and what we have, in doing one
kilometre in this district, another kilometre in another district and
another kilometre in another district, like it's been done in the past for
partisan reasons. We are going to take all of the evidence that we have,
we're going to look at it and we're going to make our decision. We can
probably make better sense, better use of our money and better use of our
finances by actually doing three kilometres in one district and maybe
nothing in the other.
That's the approach we're taking, Mr. Chair. An approach we consider to be
sustainable, an approach that makes sense, an approach that tells us we want
to do it right. I pledge to my hon. Members across, and also to my
colleagues, that I want to work in partnership. I want to look at ways in
which we can work together. Because they're on the opposite side does not
mean they will not be a part of the financing we have and the projects we
have.
That's something that, I think, will be significantly different as we move
forward and as we govern. I think we're governing as being open and
transparent. We're governing to serve and provide the services that best
suit the people of this province. I want to make that commitment.
Mr.
Chair, I'm honoured to be in this House. It's something I've had a dream for
many, many years, to be a part of that. I never, ever had the opportunity. I
just want to thank the good people of Grand Falls-Windsor Buchans the
great people of Grand Falls-Windsor Buchans who put their faith in me
for the next four years. I can assure you that while we have our challenges
going forward, I've always said whenever you have a challenge and when
challenges come, there's opportunity.
I
believe in spite of the fact that it may appear and I know some of the
criticism we've gotten on the other side that it's all doom and gloom,
well, Mr. Chair, we have to give the right picture. We have to tell the
people exactly the situation we're in.
The
situation we're in, Mr. Chair, is not a good situation. However, having said
that, as I said before, where there are challenges, there are opportunities.
If there's any team that's going to find those opportunities, it's the team
we have here on this side of the House.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HAWKINS:
As we work together on
looking at opportunities and as we face our challenges, I believe it will be
in the best interests of the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
I
always liked the word best practices. I believe that when we look at best
practices we can find a lot of synergies in a lot of what we're doing.
That's an idea we need to really build on because I think it's important for
us.
No
matter what side we're on, we owe it to the people that put us here. I think
that's a very important part. Members opposite, you will find when you do
say something and you do put something forward that I agree with, I will
applaud you for that because I believe we're in this together. I think it's
important that we work together as a team.
Mr.
Chair, it's my pleasure to stand in this House today and talk about this
particular bill because I think it's important for us. We have to get about
doing the business. I think it's important for us as we look at the next
couple of months in preparation for the budget. It's been a new experience
for me. Being on the Treasury Board, that's a new experience in itself. I
know we've put a lot of long hours into getting to where we are now.
Under the direction of our Finance Minister I admire the energy and the
skill set that she has. I believe for the first time in a long time that,
from her business perspective and being an entrepreneur in this province,
she is bringing a different perspective for us to have a direction and a
course going forward. I know over the next four years, under the direction
of our Finance Minister, we will put in place the best possible plan that we
can do under the circumstances we have.
Mr.
Chair, I want to thank you for the opportunity. I certainly look forward to
the continuing work with this side of the government.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
The
Chair recognizes the hon. the Member for the District of Conception Bay East
Bell Island.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
The
great District of Conception Bay East Bell Island, Mr. Chair.
I do
want to acknowledge the opening of this session, the opportunity to speak to
Interim Supply and the importance it plays in maintaining and furthering
programs and services, particularly supporting the valiant civil servants we
have here to continue the great work that's being done on behalf of the
people of this province.
I do
want to thank my colleague, the Minister of Transportation and Works, for
reaching out to me at the beginning of his tenure to pick my brain on a
couple of issues there. I do look forward to working with him over the next
number of years, particularly around some of the issues in my own district.
Again, I'm open. Any tidbit of information or knowledge I may have that may
be able to help you, I'm more than willing to share that with you. I open
that olive branch there for that discussion.
I
know we're going to have some very interesting discussions over the next
number of years around our infrastructure needs, particularly around ferry
services, which is very near and dear to my district as part of that
process. One of the challenges you jumped right into was one of our new
ferries. An unforeseen circumstance, but, again, a major investment by this
administration to ensure the communities that are serviced by ferries have
the proper assets that they need to, not only sustain their growth, but find
a way to improve it, to make it grow. They can ensure that people are drawn
to that and businesses are drawn to it.
We
have all the luxuries of knowing the two vessels that are in place now, the
Veteran that's here and the Legionnaire
that will be here in the next month or so, will be great assets. I would
hope this administration will continue what we started in the ferry
replacement strategy in ensuring that the South Coast is taken care of and
that Labrador is taken care of, Mr. Chair.
Very
valuable parts of this province need their infrastructures improved, Mr.
Chair, and we started that process. I look forward to meeting with the
minister and giving my two cents worth, and hoping and knowing he's a man
of honour that he'll start the process of trying to improve the other
services that are out there.
Mr.
Chair, he talks about needing a billion dollars to improve our
infrastructure. I can't disagree; I was there. I looked at the books. I
looked at our needs, I looked at the requests we had and, no doubt, another
billion dollars would have put a major dent into the needs that people have
in this province around roads, where you have to put a grader out every
second or third week just to make sure they're passable.
There are potholes out there that people lose tires in. Part of it is around
our environment. Part of it is around that it was neglected for such a long
time. That's not blame to any administration; it's a reality of our
financial ability to be able to do it. A big part of it is our geography.
We're so spread out. We almost have equal roads as Ontario with 25 times the
population and 20 times the financial ability to pay for their
infrastructure, but we've done a great job. We've done a great job in
improving it, in bringing it to a level and in identifying. The minister has
an easier job now, in my opinion, because it's been identified. We went out
to people. We talked to our municipalities. We talked to our leaders out
there. We talked to our staff.
TW
has, by far, the best, most diligent, most competent, most committed group
of individuals. Look at what they do in the run of a day in the middle of
winter, in 100 kilometre winds in a snow storm; what they do on our ferries
when you have a nor'easter and they still want to run to provide services;
what they do in the other services they provide, from our air ambulance
services to our water bombers, all the things that are essential to
protecting people and providing services. It is a great group of employees,
as we do in every part of the civil service that serves the people of this
province.
Mr.
Chair, I want to note, too, while we talk about how another billion dollars
would have been great to have, let's talk about the billion that we did
spent in our infrastructure, particularly around Transportation and Works,
around our road improvements. Let's take my colleagues there from Labrador,
the great work that was done on the Trans-Labrador Highway and the work that
still continues. The contracts that I put in place and my predecessor put in
place to continue to work on the South Coast part of the Trans-Labrador
Highway. It's a great asset.
Outside of the issues around people wanting it to be completed, I've got
hundreds of emails from people saying it's a beautiful highway, thank you
very much. Now, do we want it to be continued? Do we want to get it done as
quickly as possible? Fair enough and rightfully so, because when you travel
on it for those who haven't travelled on the old highway before it was
paved and know the challenges, at times you couldn't travel on it. It was
impossible.
I
know my colleagues from Labrador and I had the privilege of working in
Labrador and travelling on the road back in the '70s, the '80s and the '90s
knowing the challenges we had. Now you leave Wabush to go to Goose Bay, it's
a beautiful highway. It's as good as anything we have. It's a beautiful
highway, unbelievable. Not only is the scenery beautiful, but the highway
itself is well done, well maintained.
As
we move to the South Coast, ways of improving that so we have a link. So
everybody in this province, the people on the Island are connected to the
people in Labrador, and we have another transportation link that improves
our ability to get our assets here and opens up the door for extra business.
That's part of the billion dollars. People question the $25 billion in oil
revenue that supposedly we had. Well, there's a billion I can account for
right away and there are billions of other ones.
When
you talk about taking the politics out of pavement, I like the minister's
concept about that because I know we did it in a lot of programs and
services. We definitely took it out of education. Only last year I sat in
the House here and outlined to this House the monies that we spent in
education, particularly around improving the infrastructure: new schools,
repairs to existing schools, improving our busing systems, all the things
that we announced, all the new school systems.
The
Minister of Health will never hear issues around mould in schools as it was
all during the '70s, '80s and '90s, even the early 2000s. We eliminated a
lot of that because we built infrastructure. It didn't make any difference
what district or what partisan or the party colour was, we built it because
it was necessary. You look at the list. There are people who know, who were
here last year when I went through that list. We know where the biggest
investments were. A lot of them, if not most, were in districts of not the
governing party. That's the fair way to do it, it's the right way to do it
and it's the way the people expect it to be done. We were glad to be able to
do that.
Are
there going to be some times when there is going to be debate there's only
X number of dollars and there's two districts that need it and somebody's
going to come in and give a better argument or a more valiant argument as to
why they should have it, and some people will say it is all about partisan?
That's all in the interpretation.
At
the end of day, the monies that were spent were spent in the best interest
of the people who needed it. I was proud to be able to say I sat in Cabinet.
I was chair of the infrastructure committee being in Treasury Board.
Understanding you only have X number of dollars, how do you make it benefit
the people as much as possible?
There's a balancing act, and we'll talk about that. I've heard it from the
other side, we've mentioned it since we started, and I know the Third Party
will mention it. It's a balancing act, and we're going to be able to move
that towards that. We're going to ensure we look at where we've been, where
we are and where we need to go.
I
also want to note, particularly, I think the first week or so should be the
friendly week. We'll all get to know each other. There are 20 or 21 new
Members here, welcome. You're going to enjoy this. There's going to be days
you're going to shake your head and say, what am I doing here?
No
doubt, you were elected by representatives in your districts because people
felt you would be their best representative. That you would come in here,
not only fight for what's needed in your own district and individual needs
of those individuals, but you would represent the province as a whole. That
sometimes you'd have to step back from your own district to do what was
better for everybody else in the province. I applaud you for that. There are
going to be times when it's going to be hard to do that, but it's part of
the process. You'll find what your priorities are and what your principles
stand for.
One
good thing I found about this in the last nearly six years in the House of
Assembly is you'll find out what you stand for and what your principles
really mean. Sometimes you'll pull back on things you thought were important
and go in another direction. Sometimes you need to be cognizant of the fact
of keeping open minded, that there's always another argument, there's always
another stream, there's always another approach to certain things. Maybe,
more importantly, there's always a bigger priority.
I do
encourage the new Members here. You've got some good, experienced people on
both sides of the House. Use them, pick their brains, challenge them. That's
fair for all of us. That's the best way you'll learn in politics. It's the
best way you'll take your few hits and still be able to get up and say what
I'm doing is the right thing. It's sometimes when you'll be able to
challenge other people. It's times when you have to go back in your own
district and defend what you've done, even if it's not popular.
Governance is not about popularity. It's about doing what you think is the
right thing to do, and at the end of the day being able to look back and
say, that benefited more people than it hurt. That's what our governance is
all about. It's about good democracy, and we have that in this province. We
had it when we reduced it to 40 seats. Bigger representation by Members
having to deal with in their own districts, but it's the right fiscal way to
do it. There's no doubt, nobody's been hurt by that.
We've got very competent people on both sides of this House who'll service
their districts very honourably. We look forward to the debate. I'm looking
forward to it. It's a great relax being on the Opposition because we can
question what's going on, but we also have a history. We know it won't be
always doom and gloom and it won't be always on like that.
It'll be about if you're doing a good job, we'll give you a nod. If it's not
what we think is in the best interest of the people of this province we'll
make you aware of it. We'll make the media aware of it. We'll make our own
constituents aware of it and we'll make your constituents aware of it. If
we're all looking at what we think is in the best interest of everybody,
there'll be more good days than bad days.
Again, I encourage all the new Members here, enjoy this. This is a part of
history. You'll make some friendships here. You'll learn some good things.
Your legacy down the road will be that you were part and parcel of a
program, a service, an entity, part of our infrastructure that benefit the
people of this province.
Welcome again. I look forward to the next four years in the House of
Assembly.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The Chair recognizes the hon. the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Service
NL.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. JOYCE:
Thank you.
I
just want to spend a few minutes to speak on Interim Supply, Mr. Chair.
There was something I said that I would bring up; during the election I
committed to people on the North Shore of the Bay of Islands that I'd bring
it up. The former Minister of Transportation and Works, you heard his speech
about how we got to work, how we got to get along, how we all got to respect
each other. I just want to tell you what happened. If anything I'm saying
here is wrong, I challenge the minister to stand up and deny what I'm saying
anything I'm saying.
Mr.
Chair, there was funding given out for Transportation and Works to do some
major repairs in the Bay of Islands. There was a big tender for the West
Coast. I was asked by Transportation and Works and I went out with the
regional manager. Mr. Chair, there was one spot especially over on the North
Shore called Plant Hill with some rutting. There were two accidents that I
know of this year in that area, Mr. Chair.
We
went out and measured the pavement on both sides of what was going to be
done. We told them how much we had. Guess what, Mr. Chair? Do you know what
this minister did, the former minister? Two days before the tender he picked
up the phone and made the call. He said the money for the Bay of Islands is
taken out. We put it out in Port au Port. That's what that Member did.
He's
laughing. I challenge you now to stand up and say what I'm saying is wrong.
Here's your opportunity.
I
can tell you one thing, Mr. Chair. What happened there was not right. It was
not fair. So when you hear all this stuff talking about you have to work
together what the Minister of Transportation and Works said, we're going
to do a list of priorities and we're going to try to live the best we can to
the best of the parties unless some major catastrophe happens along the way.
That's the way it should be.
I
understand politics. I certainly understand politics. I understand when
there are ministers and there's a bit of leeway. I understand all of that,
but what happened in the Bay of Islands and I look at the Member who is
laughing now, who is laughing, who in two days before the tender, $500,000
I even went out with a measuring tape with the car. We had to measure off
some spots, Mr. Chair. We used the car Transportation and Works and it
was pulled. The danger areas are still not done. There's a big smirk on his
face. It's all right. The people who had the accidents weren't hurt, I can
tell you that.
So
don't ever stand up in this House and talk about how we got to get along,
how we're all new friends because what you did I've seen a lot of stuff in
this House of Assembly, Mr. Chair. I've been a part of a lot of it. We had a
lot of debates back and forth. I can take it. I'm a man. I can take it. I
gave a lot and I took a lot, too, Mr. Chair, but I can tell you when
somebody is vindictive and would do that to the people of the Humber Bay
of Islands and put people's lives at risk, put people in danger, not only
that, have the audacity to stand here and say: We all got to get along.
We're all the same. Everybody should be treated equal.
Mr.
Chair, it almost made me sick, because I can tell you and I know the
people in the department were mortified, what happened two days before the
tender, actually mortified. I can tell all the Members on this side, if
there's a dangerous situation on any roads in this province that is brought
to our attention, I know we will stand up. We will represent the people of
the province, not individual districts, and not be mean and vindictive
because we, as a government, represent everybody in the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador. Not just one or two areas. Mr. Chair, I have to
say that.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. JOYCE:
If there was one thing
over the number of years that I've been involved with politics, Mr. Chair,
is I've won some and I've lost some battles with the ministers on the
opposite side, Mr. Chair, but what happened there was mean. It was
vindictive. It was cruel to the people of Bay of Islands. I can tell you, I
have proof that it was done.
Now,
speaking on the other side, the Member for Ferryland, we were dealing with
Lark Harbour and York Harbour in the amalgamation. The former minister of
Municipal Affairs treated us all with respect the town councils. He did
everything that he possibly could. That's the way a minister should be, Mr.
Chair. That's the way a minister should act.
When
the amalgamation issue went in, the Member for Ferryland met with us in
Corner Brook. He squeezed us in for a meeting. He did everything possible
that he could to ensure there was amalgamation in York Harbour and Lark
Harbour. I said it publicly, and I'll say it again: that's the way
government should work. Just because you're on an opposite side, because you
have a different political stripe, you should try to work together for the
betterment of the people of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
The
Member for Ferryland I said it before, I said it on
Open Line and I'll say it again he worked as a true minister, as a
true gentleman to help now York Harbour and Lark Harbour didn't amalgamate
and that wasn't the minister's fault. I said it publicly, Mr. Chair.
Mr.
Chair, there's no problem with me working with people absolutely none.
Just for the record, in four years from 2011 to 2015, the minister of
Transportation and Works, whoever was there he was there for two years. I
couldn't get one meeting not one meeting. The minister of Municipal
Affairs, the Member for Mount Pearl North, I couldn't get one meeting not
one meeting could you get in. Couldn't get one meeting.
Mr.
Chair, that's the kind of stuff, that's the narrow-minded, vindictive
attitude that people have.
MR. BRAZIL:
(Inaudible.)
MR. JOYCE:
Here's the Member for
Conception Bay East Bell Island looking at me saying, yeah, that's right.
You should be ashamed to say that to yourself. You should be ashamed to say
that. Here I'm saying he took money away from the Bay of Islands, caused
people harm and he is looking at me saying that's right. He should be
ashamed of himself. I just can't believe you're saying that. I really, truly
can't believe you're saying it, Mr. Chair.
Mr.
Chair, there are Members and I could use their names now, Clyde Jackman. I
know Clyde Jackman was a true gentleman. He treated me with the utmost
respect. We dealt with him as an individual. Could you get everything you
want? Of course not. Should you get everything? Of course not. I said that
when I was in Opposition: there is no way in the world that any government
can give everybody's asks in this province. You just can't do it.
But,
Mr. Chair, what I'm hoping is the Members opposite who are so vindictive
putting people in danger just for a political stripe, and trying to get back
at me in some way, you have to remember if you take $500,000 that was
committed for dangerous roads, it's not me you're getting, it's the people
of the he's still over there smiling, Mr. Chair. It's the people of the
Bay of Islands that you're putting lives in danger.
I
said to the people on the north shore of the Bay of Islands I would bring
this up because they were so upset. I went out and they seen me on the
road with the odometer in the Transportation vehicle. They asked and I said
boys, this is being done. They were so happy.
I
said now you won't get any luxuries, but the safety parts will be done. Mr.
Chair, I was already to say, well, great, at least they'll recognize the
concerns of the safety because I wrote at least five or six letters. So if
the minister said I never asked for a meeting, I can show you the letters
that I wrote. By the way, just for the record, I never got any response
just for the record.
Mr.
Chair, what I'm saying here is, this government, we have to represent all
people of the province. I understand the political side of it, but you have
to take care of the needs of the people and not have politics get inside,
not have personalities. We all have to work together for the betterment of
the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Mr.
Chair, I know the Member knew Darin King very well. Darin King treated me
very well. Did I get everything I wanted? Of course not, but I have to give
the man respect. He treated you fairly; he treated you with respect. He
understood that when I'm standing up here it's not me; it's the people
behind me. Darin King stepped forward and so did the Member for Ferryland
when York Harbour needed a fire truck because the fire truck broke down.
What did they do? They stepped up and said let's work together to get it
done. You have to recognize that.
What
we have to do, as all people in the Legislature, is try to work together.
I've committed to that and I know all the ministers here and all the
government committed to that, Mr. Chair, that we're going to work for the
betterment of the people of Newfoundland and Labrador. I can say that I've
fulfilled the commitment to the people on the north shore of the Bay of
Islands singled out the minister, the same minister who treated them with
a lack of respect and dignity and put their lives in danger by being so
vindictive and mean. I can guarantee you one thing
CHAIR:
Order, please!
MR. JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
CHAIR:
The Member's time has
expired.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The Chair recognizes the
hon. the Member for Topsail Paradise.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you for giving me a few minutes to get up this afternoon and to spend
some time on debate. I can assure you, Mr. Chair, I'm not going to use my
time this afternoon for any personal cheap shots. I'm not going to do that.
I'd like to steer away from that. I'm not going to do that today. I want to
spend most of my time today talking about my district.
I
did listen to the Member opposite who just spoke there. I think about the
West Coast and I think about the investments. I would think that if you took
the area from Deer Lake, the current Premier's district, out to
Stephenville, roughly around the Stephenville, I'd say there's been more
money spent on highways and roads and infrastructure, either provincial
infrastructure on highways or in partnership with municipalities, than
anywhere else in the province.
I
say to the Minister of Municipal Affairs, if he wants to get up, if wants to
rise in his place to correct me and tell me I'm wrong, then he can do that
as well. I think there have been more money and more investments on the West
Coast of this province when it comes to infrastructure, roads and highways
in the last five years.
AN HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR. P. DAVIS:
What's that?
AN HON. MEMBER:
Out my way.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Out your way. No, I said
from Stephenville out to Deer Lake.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
MR. P. DAVIS:
Mr. Chair, in other
places there's also been investments as well. In my own area, I was quite
pleased just recently to attend at the new Paradise arena. A beautiful
facility, absolutely beautiful community facility, and if anyone hasn't
visited the new Paradise double ice arena and community centre
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
MR. P. DAVIS:
as of this day, I would
encourage anyone to do it because it's a great example of a community centre
that's servicing the needs of a community.
Most
recently when I was there, the Paradise Minor Hockey Association unveiled
their new logo for their new organization. Paradise, as we know, is a strong
community. It's growing very strongly. The town has done a good job. I
compliment the mayor and council and the people who work in the town as
well, as well as the citizens. They have a very strong participation of
community events and development within the town. There's a significant
amount of partnership that happens in Paradise. It's resulting in great
success. It's providing opportunities for all age groups, from the very
young, such as with minor hockey.
In
that community centre there was so much there before the double ice arena
was built but an indoor skate park, as an example. I don't know how many
of those exist in the province, but an indoor skate park. I can tell you,
Mr. Chair, it's used every single day after school. There are children and
youth that attend that facility. There's a youth centre with a climbing
wall. Most of it built in partnership with government. A lot of it has been.
The
climbing wall, I remember we went out and provided funding for that. I
remember when they put in the skate park they needed bumper pads and some
extra equipment and so on. We provided funding for that. The arena, of
course, was funded by government as well, and is a well-used, very well-used
facility. Not only used by residents of Paradise, but for people who come
from all around the region. We know that ice time, especially for minor
hockey sometimes, is in big demand. Paradise is now contributing to that.
One
of the very interesting parts of the Paradise arena one of the very
interesting aspects of it built right in if you ever go in there you'll
notice the boards in front of the benches are clear glass and from the ice
to when you go into the benches is level. So the floor of the bench and the
floor of the ice is level. It's done for sledge hockey, primarily so that
athletes who play sledge hockey, utilize their sledges, have easy access to
get on and off the ice. Also, once they're off the ice on the benches, they
can still watch the game through what is now clear glass on the boards. I
think it's a great addition to a great facility, absolutely. It was good
foresight for them to do so. We know that's going to be well used.
More
recently, CBS opened their new arena, their new stadium. Both of those
projects, as well as the one in Harbour Grace and Marystown, and there were
a couple of others. I'm trying to remember where they were now. They were
announced all the same time back in 2011. Very good projects, every one of
them were different in its own way. Harbour Grace had its own challenges but
the community was able to work with government. That project is well
underway. I saw it recently and the roof, I think, now is pretty much
completed and closed in. The interior work is being completed.
The
CBS stadium recently opened. The CBS stadium is different from Paradise
arena, a different need and was designed to serve a different purpose. I was
up there during the recent Winterfest in CBS when they had the annual high
school game between the two high schools. The place was full. It was
absolutely full with high school students, adults as well and people who
came to watch the game. An exciting time, it was good hockey and enjoyable.
It's a lot of fun. It's also a very high, very tight competition that has
gone on for years between the two high schools in Conception Bay South.
Also
in there, they put in a walking trail or a walking track around the top of
the stadium. Last Monday, the weather wasn't good. It was a holiday here, a
government holiday, and the weather wasn't good. My wife and I actually went
to the stadium. We like to go outside and use the great trail ways that are
in Conception Bay South that have been developed in partnership with the
Johnson Foundation, the provincial government and other contributors; a
fabulous trail way as well up there in a great network of trails that are
continuing to be developed.
Just
recently, I was there when the federal government confirmed funding for the
next part of their trail, which is going to be in the west end, actually in
Harbour Main District. I was glad to be able to attend there, as was my
colleague, the MHA for Conception Bay South.
But
we went to the stadium and I was so amazed that even when the weather was
fowl Monday past, the number of people who were in there. The first few
weeks they were averaging I think the numbers were over 100 a day using
the walking trail inside the stadium. I think that speaks volumes to the
need that exists in the community. People of all ages are utilizing it.
They're coming and going. It's fairly well organized. It works well. It
provides that facility for people that didn't exist before, because prior to
that you had to go outdoors or you didn't have an opportunity for that type
of exercise.
Recently, a new private gym opened in CBS. A young couple developed it and
have that open, a big turnout and people utilizing that as well, Mr. Chair.
That's what you see in communities that are able to grow and develop. You
see companies, business in partnership with government, with the town,
volunteer groups come together to provide opportunities for people. It adds
to the value and the quality of life for people in the community.
If
you look at the 50-plus clubs, I think there are over 300 members now for
the 50-plus club in Paradise. The one in Worsley Park, which is Conception
Bay South, is a little bit smaller, but about 500 seniors active when you
combine both of those clubs.
In
Mount Pearl, a very active club with the Mount Pearl Seniors Independence
Group. There are probably 400 members, I think, in Mount Pearl. They have
several events a week. I know Paradise has two days a week minimum, and some
days three or four times a week where they have events for seniors, a game
of cards or a game of darts, shuffleboard. Then about once a month on a
Saturday night they'll have a dinner.
My
wife and I always enjoy going to this with them because they'll have dinner
at 6 o'clock and by 7:20 they're clearing off the tables and having a game
of cards. They play cards until about 9 o'clock and they always have live
music then at 9 o'clock. So you can actually go to dinner at 6 o'clock, have
a game of cards, have a dance and be home by 9:30 and have had a great
night. It's a fun time and they always have a fun time.
Mr.
Chair, the Minister of Finance recently talked about and announced core
funding. I'm glad she did. I'm glad she confirmed core funding. It's
organizations like these 50-plus groups that quite often rely on
application-based funding so they can continue to provide these programs and
services. When they need to buy equipment and they need to make purchases
like tables and chairs. I know that when you provide funding with seniors,
there's nobody can get more value out of $100 or $1,000 donation than a
group of seniors. They'll make that go a long way. They've certainly done
that in Paradise and also in Worsley Park.
I
think it's important for the government not to forget the value of
application-based funding, application-based programs that assist and
support these groups such as minor hockey, such as seniors groups. It could
be Girl Guides, Boy Scouts, those groups as well. I think about Paradise
Grasshoppers, another great example.
Paradise Grasshoppers, for those of you who are not familiar with them, are
a group of young children; they start at six, seven and eight year olds. One
of them one day said our community is dirty, we should do a cleanup and did
a cleanup. Now, this group has actually built their own park, their own
Paradise Grasshoppers park and have done other projects. They raise
awareness about keeping the environment clean. They participate in parades
and events and so on. They're supported by their parents.
Organizations like that also benefit greatly from application-based funding
from government. I also think it's very important for government to continue
that funding as well.
Mr.
Chair, I see my time is up. There are lots of great things happening in
Newfoundland and Labrador that are worthy of discussing and reminding the
people of. We have great people in our province, great things happening in
communities. I congratulate everybody who makes a contribution to their own
community.
CHAIR:
The Chair recognizes the
hon. the Member for the District of St. John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Chair.
I'm
very happy to get up and speak again in the discussion around Interim
Supply. It's a discussion that's necessary in order to approve the spending
of money so that we can keep government running while we wait for a budget
from this government, the budget for 2016-2017.
As I
said when I stood before, for anybody out there who may have been watching,
it's essential that we do this. Keeping government running just doesn't mean
the offices in the Confederation Building, East or West Block, or major
office buildings of government around the province such as in Corner Brook;
it means everything from making sure that people on income support get their
money regularly, as they should, to services in our hospitals. We have to
make sure that everything people need goes on. We can't have anything stop.
So that's why we're here having this discussion called the Interim Supply
discussion.
Today, one of the things I want to talk about I hope I'll get to talk
about a couple. One in particular is the needs of our seniors. I am in the
District of St. John's East Quidi Vidi. I haven't figured it out in terms
of numbers, but I do have a high number of long-term care facilities in
different forms. We have seniors' residences which have different levels of
care. We have private institutions.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
MS. MICHAEL:
We have public
institutions. One of the things during the election campaign that I heard
quite a bit of was the concerns of senior citizens. If it wasn't the senior
citizens themselves, it was the children of senior citizens.
I
think it's something that we aren't giving enough attention to in the
province. It's something that we have to because the growing numbers are
happening already. It's not something that is 20 years down the road. It's
happening now that the numbers of seniors are growing exponentially, almost.
We have to take it seriously.
We
have to take it seriously, especially when we look at our health care system
and the cost of our health care system. We have to take it seriously when we
look at parts of the health care system that are essential for seniors such
as home care. We have to look at it from the perspective
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
CHAIR:
Order, please!
The
Chair would ask that all hon. Members maintain order. If you have
conversations that you must carry out, I would ask that you do so outside
the Chambers.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Chair, I appreciate that.
We
have a number of issues. I won't talk about individuals; I'll talk about the
issues that are being brought to me by individuals that we have to deal with
in this province and that we have to deal with in the planning of the
programs for senior citizens.
One
area which has been brought to me recently has been the whole area of abuse
of elders. It is a serious issue, I'm sure that over the past few years some
of us have seen when watching television there were ads there for a while
that were quite frequent about different ways in which elders can be abused.
Sad to say very often it's abuse from children or grandchildren. Abused
verbally, that's one way; abused, for example, almost like in a power way,
children or grandchildren getting control of the financial resources of the
senior citizen and literally robbing them of money.
There are all kinds of ways in which seniors are abused both in their homes
as well as in institutions. The real concern I have is what are we doing
about that? What are we putting in place? What resources are we putting in
place with regard to the abuse that seniors experience? That's one issue.
It's one issue, I think, that a seniors' advocate could be really helpful
with.
The
problem is that seniors feel very helpless. To try to prove what they're
going through is very difficult. Even for children who think something is
going on, maybe with a sibling they see a sibling making their parents
suffer they feel helpless because they can't prove what's going on either.
It's a serious issue and it's an issue we really do have to look at in a
very careful way. I put that out to government to realize their
responsibility to look at this issue.
Another issue for seniors, especially seniors requiring institutional care,
is the separation of couples. For example, the way our system is set up is
that if couples have different levels of care, they may not be able to be in
the same institution together. Not in the same institution together means
for example, I've met couples where one of the couple is in one institution
and one in another, the one who's more able making the visits on a daily
basis to the facility where the one who is less able really can't leave. The
person may be bedridden.
I've
heard different Members of the House, I heard the Premier at some point
during the election campaign it may have been before the writ was dropped,
it may have been last summer saying this is terrible and we have to do
something about it. Couples should not be separated. Even in my own district
I have one case in particular I've been working on and trying to get
attention paid to, because of the serious separation of a couple.
Sometimes they may even be in the same institution together and can't be in
a room together. So we have to make our care of seniors care that is really
based on their needs. I know it can be done. When you look at other
countries, especially European countries, you see decisions made and systems
and programs put in place that are humane, that look at the individuals and
say, we have to make sure that seniors in their final years are cared for by
our society. They've given their lives for our society, they've given their
lives for the community and we have an obligation to take care of them.
The
fact that home care is so minimal in this province, we have to deal with
that. We cannot say we don't have enough money. We have to say we have a
need and how are we going to make sure that need is met. That's what we've
been failing in here in this province. Putting money into Muskrat Falls,
which was done by the previous government, and now the current government
dreaming, the way they did yesterday during the private Member's motion,
about setting up a heritage fund when we can't even put two senior citizens
together in their final years because they're in an institution we've got
some serious things that we have to deal with.
One
of the biggest problems with not having a public home care system is the
accountability. When you have a home care worker who comes in from an agency
and the agency is getting money. The agencies get public money. They don't
only get public money, but they get public money. Yet the home care worker
can be doing things in that home and the person who depends on the home care
worker has nobody they can go to. They can report the activity of the home
care worker, for example, to the agency. The agency does nothing. They have
nowhere to go. They feel helpless. Some of them may have a family member who
can advocate for them. My mother was lucky she had me. She also had
wonderful home care workers, too, so she didn't need me to advocate for
them.
There was one time I had to advocate, not because of the workers, but
because of the fact that one of the workers was in hospital and the agency
was sending unqualified people to take care of my mother. I had no power. My
mother had no power. That's why we need a public home care system that's
part of our health care system.
My
last words during this Interim Supply although I suspect I'm going to have
other ways in which I'm going to be able to say it during this session of
the House is we have to take care of our seniors. We have to make sure
they are being taken care of psychologically, emotionally and physically.
Not in our institutions just lying in beds, like they are in the St. John's
long-term care facility, without sufficient staff to make sure that they
feel respected and that they don't feel like they've been totally forgotten
by our system. That's our challenge, to make sure we don't lose sight of the
people who most need the programs and services of government.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The Chair recognizes the
hon. Government House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'm
very happy to stand here today and speak to Interim Supply here in the House
of Assembly. It's my first opportunity to do so. There are so many people
wanting to speak that we have to compete to rise to our feet here.
Thankfully, I'm faster than the Minister of Education.
It
is an honour to be able to stand here and speak to Interim Supply. I think
our Minister of Finance has done a wonderful job of explaining the concept
of Interim Supply. Anybody who has listened before understands that this is
the purpose of it; it's a bill to allow for money to pay the expenses until
the budget is dealt with.
There's been a lot of commentary on both sides from Members, and I think
quite rightfully. Being what they call a money bill, it's an opportunity for
people to move past, perhaps, the specifics of a more constrained bill and
talk about their districts, talk about their constituents and talk about the
supporters that helped put them here.
We
certainly don't always agree on everything, there's no doubt. That's not how
this House works. But I think we all agree on the privilege that it is to be
able to sit here, have these debates and be able to talk. I, too, would say
that I'm thankful for the constituents of Burgeo La Poile who gave me the
opportunity to sit here in this House again. I'm obviously thankful. This
time I am happy to be able to switch sides. I spent four years working in
Opposition which I can say is a necessary, important job for the people of
this province.
I am
thankful I had the opportunity to sit in Opposition and to learn how
government works, to learn how Opposition works, to learn how the processes
work, to ask questions and to be in debates. I had a lot of good people
around me to learn from when I first came in, sitting with people like
Yvonne Jones, who was a tremendous House Leader, a tremendous politician and
advocate. Having people like Yvonne to work from or the Minister of
Municipal Affairs who, again, was someone who has experience.
There are people that were not on the same political side as me that also
provided a lot of guidance over the years. You have these debates and
sometimes it gets fierce in here, but at the end of the day we do have
relationships that stretch outside. You need that because we all are here
for the betterment of the people we represent across this province.
Very
briefly, Interim Supply; I'm glad to see that this is moving forward.
Obviously it's necessary. I'm quite confident we will see unanimous support
for it. If not, the havoc that will be wreaked upon this province will be
unparalleled. I know sometimes it's a bit funny, people not knowing how this
works. You hear people going at each other in here, but at the end of the
day I'm confident that the necessary thing will be done here.
It does give me an opportunity to perhaps first speak to the Department of
Justice and Public Safety, and the honour and privilege that I've had to be
given this opportunity by our Premier and to sit in the Cabinet to deal with
the department that, in many ways, I grew up with. Long before I was ever in
politics, I had some background into that department by watching my father
handle the position. So I had that background.
It's
amazing, too, to tell you about the experience in the department. There were
a lot of people that were there in his time and they're still here in my
time. I've taken the opportunity to talk to these people and learn what they
do, how they do it, the things that work and maybe the things that don't.
As
we're going through this process and there's no surprise here the perilous
situation we find ourselves in. We've been left with a financial situation
that the Minister of Finance ensures is drilled into our head at every
waking opportunity to let us know. I think it's important that the people of
the province know the situation we're in.
As a
Minister of the Crown, it's important for me to be able to talk to the
people in the department and find out how we can deliver services, what's
the best way to deliver services and maybe different ways to do things. One
of the things I've done in my short period of time in this position is I've
gone out and talked to people all over the department in the different
components or divisions of the department.
I've
been to speak to the Crown attorneys, Legal Aid, Her Majesty's Penitentiary.
I've been down speaking with guards, with management, with inmates. I've
been to Victim Services, to Family Justice Services. I've been down to see
the RCMP, the RNC. I've talked to everybody in the department. I've talked
to anybody you can think of right now Fish and Wildlife. My goal is to
move around and talk to everybody.
I
actually went down and visited the Chief Medical Examiner's Office. It falls
under the Department of Justice. When I met down there I was told I was the
first minister in 30 years to actually visit and see the conditions they
work in, which is one of the reasons I was happy to see our Premier call for
a review of that office. It is necessary.
The
amazing thing I heard sometimes and it surprised me somewhat. When I met
with people in the department, some people who had been there for years, one
of the things I heard is we haven't talked to somebody in years. We haven't
talked to upper management, we'll say, in a long time; we haven't met with a
minister. I found it surprising because what better way to learn how your
system works than to work with the front-line people that actually do the
work. I can say I know a lot of my colleagues are taking the same
opportunity. They're meeting with people in hospitals, the people that clear
our roads, the people in our schools, our social workers. It's important
that we talk to these front-line workers.
It
is a difficult time now. I know it's been brought up on a number of
occasions about how difficult it is, but that doesn't mean we still can't
talk to them. We need to know what they do, to help us do what is necessary.
I'm
going to get plenty of opportunities over the next little while to speak to
the Department of Justice and about it, to answer questions and to discuss
legislation that pertains to it. But I do have to take the opportunity to
address two points that have been brought up in this House. I think one was
during Interim Supply and one was during the House of Assembly. I'm going to
go back to my district now because one of the Members opposite, during a
Question Period, asked about Marine Atlantic.
Now,
anybody who knows me knows Marine Atlantic is near and dear to my heart. It
is the major employer. I say I'm glad the Members opposite have discovered
it because they certainly didn't know about it when they were in government.
During our four years and I'm glad they're asking questions. It's good.
It's good that there are questions asked. It's necessary because I tell you
what, during the last four years I know I've been talking about it there
have not been a lot of meetings between our government and the federal
government to discuss this. That has not been.
We're having those meetings now. Yes, I can guarantee you we're having those
meetings, and we're having those conversations now
MR. KENT:
(Inaudible).
MR. A. PARSONS:
The Member for Mount
Pearl North has asked me a question. Again, wait till Question Period; I
can't hear you right now. Wait till Question Period and ask me it.
Again, Marine Atlantic is a service that is vital to this province. It is
absolutely vital and we need to do everything we can to press the case, to
advocate the case. I look forward to working with our colleagues in the
federal government to ensure that that relationship continues. We need to
have that conversation. I see it first-hand with the people employed. I tell
you when Marine Atlantic is not running or when goods are increasing, we all
see the effect of it.
The
other thing that I want to talk about, and it was mentioned on the other
side, is about the investment in transportation and works on the West Coast.
Now, I can't speak to everywhere on the West Coast. I am from the West
Coast. I drive a lot of the roads, particularly from Deer Lake down to Port
aux Basques. Sometimes I take 480 down to Burgeo if I'm going to Ramea or
Grey River, and sometimes I take 470 if I'm going down the coast as far as
Rose Blanche and to see the scenic lighthouse.
One
of the things talked about was the significant investment in transportation
and works on the Southwest Coast. I would say to anybody that says that,
come along with me for a ride before you make that statement again. I can
guarantee you the Burgeo road have not seen any significant investment, not
in the last four years, the last dozen years, when roads are collapsing and
they can't get the bridge fixed. But the good news is I'm confident that the
new Minister of Transportation and Works is going to get that bridge fixed.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. A. PARSONS:
I'm confident he is
going to get it done. Because I can tell you the people down there are
asking me.
Again, that's just one issue. We have the culvert issue, we have the general
maintenance issue, and I can tell you that we have not seen the work down
there nor has the necessary work on 470 been done. Only when drastic action
is threatened does it happen. People up on Cape Ray right now are asking
about it.
We'll continue to press that case, but we all know the limitations that we
find on us. I'm so happy to be able to talk to my colleague and to advocate
on behalf of my constituents as we all do, as everybody does, to ensure that
we get the proper road infrastructure in our province, which is so vital.
That
being said, Mr. Chair, my time is about to run out, so I just want to say
thank you for the opportunity to speak to Interim Supply.
Thank you.
CHAIR:
The Chair recognizes the
hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. K. PARSONS:
Thank you very much,
Mr. Chair.
Again, it's another opportunity that I get. We don't have a lot of bodies
over on this side, so you get more opportunities than you do on the other
side to get up and speak. It's a great time to be able to get up and speak
on Interim Supply.
Interim Supply, Mr. Chair, it's all about the public servants. Because this
is what it's all about, making sure that we can pay our bills, people can
get their cheques and whatnot. Our public servants are unbelievable. We have
some great people working in this building. We have great people working in
every aspect of the public service.
We're so fortunate to have I always believe this anyway. Anywhere you go,
you talk to people that work away, it is something about Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians, it's who we are, and we're great workers and we're known all
around the world for it. We're no exception here in the public service that
we have working for us here at government and working for the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador. It's so important that this is part of what needs
to be done, that the money is available so we can pay our bills.
As
everybody knows, the biggest portion of any kind of government, our expenses
in government, are our wages and what we're paying people to be able to
our doctors, our nurses, who we have more in this province today than we
ever had before; our teachers who have the best, as far as I'm concerned,
technologies that they ever had before in the classrooms. Our children are
getting great teaching because of what our teachers have done. They take
extra time to make sure that they have the knowledge and whatever they need
to make sure that the students of the day are informed and have the best
possible education that they have.
And
it's important when you look at people who are out doing our roadwork, our
snow clearing in the wintertime. As we all know now I'm not sure, I think
I read a little bit the storm that we're supposed to have this evening is
not going to be as bad as what they forecast yesterday. That's a good thing.
But do you know something? We're very fortunate to have public servants on
the road in stormy conditions taking care of us and taking care of the
safety of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. K. PARSONS:
As we talk about
Interim Supply, money and everything else, I understand that we look at our
workers and I always look at technology and everything else. If I need to do
something or need to find out anything, I always go to a young person and
try to get them to show me how to do this or show me how to do that.
But
we're very fortunate in the public service to have so many good, young
people working for us. Again, I understand that the Minister of Finance has
a big problem on her hands. There's a problem with money and finances. Like
I just said a few minutes ago, our wages take a lot of the money that comes
into our coffers and a lot of money is spent out. But you know, we went
through a few years and I know people will say maybe you shouldn't have
done it, maybe you should have done it, but right now the people who are in
our public service they're equal to everybody else in Canada.
If
you went back to 2003, the early 1900s, and you talked to a nurse or you
talked to a teacher they'd say: How come we got to take less here in
Newfoundland and Labrador when somebody in the rest of Canada can make that
much more money? If you go back and you look at what has been done over the
last 10 years I could be wrong on my estimate, but I'm sure it's a 20 per
cent increase that we paid our public servants over the last number of
years. It's even more than that when you put it all into factor.
Do
you know what? We had to, because they deserve it. They're working hard for
us. Our nurses, our teachers, our doctors, all public servants that are out
there, they deserve to be treated fairly just like everybody else in
Atlantic Canada and the rest of Canada. It's important that we take care of
our public servants. That's what this Interim Supply is about; it's about
making sure that we do pay our bills from the period of time until we get
the new budget going. So it's important.
Today I really want to thank the people that do supply all these services,
put in that extra little time and do so much for people in this province and
people from my area and other areas of the province. So it's important that
we thank them and make sure we reward them.
I
know there are a lot of tough decisions coming. I really hope that we can
work with our public service because there's a lot of fear in the public
service right now with layoffs and pending layoffs and stuff like this, and
I believe that we can't lay off our brightest and young people that are
running our province. It is so important that we do all other options that
can be done to make sure we maintain what we have because I really believe,
like I said starting off, that Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are known
worldwide for how good we work and what great workers we are, no matter if
it's in the fishery, if it's in forestry or anywhere.
Anywhere you go, all workers, all over the world if you're from
Newfoundland and Labrador and you go to work on a rig, whether it's in South
Africa or whether it's in the Middle East, people know that people from
Newfoundland and Labrador are great workers. It's great that we have that,
because that's who we are as people. I'm very proud of that, to tell you the
truth.
I
listened to some of the speakers get up today and the Minister of
Transportation got up and spoke about a billion dollars that's needed to do
the work. There's no doubt about it. But do you know what? I can go back to
my district and look at my district 10 years ago and I can tell you, I know
what happened when we were on I used to stop at the Foodland in Torbay
every morning and you'd listen to VOCM and probably the Member for Harbour
Grace, I'm not sure if she'd be reporting then or whatever that there was
a delay in the traffic coming up Piperstock Hill. There was a huge delay,
everybody was late going to work, and they come on every morning.
An
investment that needed to be done and it was started in the days that the
Liberals were in power about the Torbay Bypass Road. It took a good few
years for it to happen or whatever, but at the end of the day it cost $23
million to do the Torbay Bypass Road, which is a huge amount of money.
The
first estimate was $5 million. So it can tell you once it starts and by the
time it gets done, there's a lot of things can change. They even looked at
overpasses and stuff like this. That investment is huge to our area. My area
has grown by 25 per cent in the last number of years. It's a safety issue.
There were 17,000 cars a day passing by Holy Trinity school. Today, you can
go there, the buses are moving very, very smoothly and everything else. That
was a great investment by the Department of Transportation and Works. It let
people get back and forth to work a whole lot easier.
I
can't wait for the Team Gushue Highway to open up. I think it's going to be
fantastic. I think it's going to be able to move traffic from Mount Pearl
over to the other side of St. John's. It will take away from a lot of the
congestion. Maybe it'll stop a few of the accidents that are happening on
the Outer Ring Road right now.
These are investments we've got to do. I know we all can look and say, oh,
we did this, we did that, but I can only look in my own district and look at
the investments that were done by Transportation and Works. We need a lot
more because I look at some of the roads down my way. There are some big
ruts there and there are some areas and I'm sure in every district, every
district here can go and give the Minister of Transportation and Works a
list of what needs to be done in their district, and we all wouldn't be
happy.
I
hope the new plan that comes in, I hope it works. I always looked at doing
two kilometres here or doing three kilometres I can remember we did a road
and it took us four years by the time we got six kilometres done on the
road. Maybe we should have done it all in the first year. I was happy to get
my 1.2 kilometres or my 2.1 kilometres because at least I was getting
something done, because there's only so much money to go around. We all know
that.
If
the new plan works that he comes up with and what I heard from him today
is that they're going to look at and probably do one section at a time. I
hope everybody gets treated fairly on it because it's important. I listened
to my colleague from Burgeo get up and talk about his roads down in his
and I have the same issues in mine. We're talking about safety on the roads.
We want to make sure our roads are as safe as possible.
It's
important we make our proper investments, but over the last number of years,
like I said, there's after being some I had bridge work done in Outer
Cove. Underneath the bridge there were huge pieces of concrete falling off
the bridge. People were going underneath there all the time. I was hoping to
get some roadwork done in Torbay and Pouch Cove. The Department of
Transportation came to me and said: Listen, this is a safety issue. This has
to be done. We've got to do that bridge, as much as we'd like to do your
roads here. When they explained to me I said: Listen, I have no problem at
all. If that's a safety issue, that's where the money should be spent.
I
only have a minute or so left, but I really want to talk about one little
thing that really strikes hard to me seniors. I know other Members just
got up and spoke about different I have four communities in my area
that have different seniors' groups. Over the last number of years we've
have been able to give them small grants, $1,000
and stuff like this. It's a 50-plus thing. What they do with that $1,000 is
amazing. To be able to take a bus and go up to Ferryland to a picnic for
$1,000 where you can put 50 seniors on a bus. I don't think there's any
better investment that we can do.
Anytime we can make our seniors active and have them enjoy life like that,
they deserve it. They are the reasons we're here today. They paid the price
for us. They definitely paid the price for us. So I think these investments
of $1,000 or $500 to go to wherever it is are great investments. I believe
we have to continue to invest in our seniors because they are the heart and
soul of who we are as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
Thank you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The Chair recognizes the
hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS. C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
With
your permission I'd like to take the opportunity to say this is the first
time I've had to address you as Mr. Chair in my capacity here in the House
of Assembly. I don't think you've been in the Chair position since this
session opened, while I've been speaking. I just wanted to say
congratulations and how excited I am to have you in the seat.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS. C. BENNETT:
I know that you'll
serve us in the House of Assembly, and certainly serve your own constituents
in Mount Pearl Southlands to the best of your ability. It's an honour to
have you there. So I wanted to take a moment to do that.
I
also wanted to take a moment before I provide some closing commentary around
the debate here for Bill 2, just to take a quick moment to thank the people
in the District of Windsor Lake. During the last election, I had the
opportunity to meet many of those individuals on the doorsteps. I haven't
had the opportunity to stand in this House yet and say thank you for their
confidence and trust in giving me this opportunity. I look forward to
working very hard to serve the members that I represent in the District of
Windsor Lake. I'm very proud to do so here in this House.
I
also want to take a quick moment just to thank the colleagues on both sides
of the House, particularly those colleagues who had the opportunity to speak
during Interim Supply and Bill 2 for the first time. We have new Members of
this House of Assembly on both sides. Certainly, it's a very important time
when we stand up for the first time and speak in this House, all of us.
Although many times, as is democracy, we will disagree. It is important that
we recognize those moments that are very special and Interim Supply has
provided an opportunity for many of my colleagues to stand and speak in this
House on behalf of the constituents that have elected them, to have their
voices heard in this House. I want to say thank you for participating in the
debate over the last number of days.
I
also want to take an opportunity to remind everybody that the purpose of the
debate we're having is around Interim Supply. It really is about the
function of being able to continue the business of government, the
expenditures and most importantly, the ability to pay our employees. I
expect that this bill will be passed unanimously; at least that's my hope.
We'll look forward to seeing what happens in a few minutes. I think all of
us in this hon. House understand that there's an incredible amount of work
that happens in all areas of government by some very dedicated individuals
who pride themselves on being part of the public service.
In
the new role that I have as Finance Minister and President of Treasury
Board, along with my colleagues on this side of the House, we've had an
opportunity to see our public sector partners and employees work very
diligently over the last number of weeks. Particularly as we worked through
many Treasury Board meetings and other meetings, but certainly that's not
unique to my department. I'm sure other ministers have seen it evident in
their own department and through the agencies, boards and commissions that
operate on behalf of government.
I
would ask our colleagues support the bill as it's presented. I expect very
clearly that will happen. I also want to take an opportunity to thank the
House Leader on the opposite side for ensuring the debate happened here in a
way that was respectful and was in the confines of the direction the Speaker
has provided in setting a new era of openness and transparency, as well as
decorum in the House. I think this debate has demonstrated that. I look
forward to seeing more of that behaviour demonstrated in the future.
With
that, Mr. Chair, I would conclude my remarks and I look forward to
participating in the vote, along with my colleagues in the House.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
Shall the resolution
carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
Carried.
On
motion, resolution carried.
CLERK:
Clause 1.
CHAIR:
Shall clause 1 carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, clause 1 carried.
CLERK:
Clauses 2 through 4
inclusive.
CHAIR:
Shall clauses 2 through 4
inclusive carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, clauses 2 through 4 carried.
CLERK:
The schedule.
CHAIR:
Shall the schedule carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, schedule carried.
CLERK:
Be it enacted by the
Lieutenant Governor and House of Assembly in Legislative session convened,
as follows.
CHAIR:
Shall the enacting clause
carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, enacting clause carried.
CLERK:
Whereas it appears that
the sums mentioned are required to defray certain expenses of the public
service of Newfoundland and Labrador for the financial year ending March 31,
2017, and for other purposes relating to the public service.
CHAIR:
Shall the preamble carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, preamble carried.
CLERK:
An Act For Granting To
Her Majesty Certain Sums Of Money For Defraying Certain Expenses Of The
Public Service For The Financial Year Ending March 31, 2017 And For Other
Purposes Relating To The Public Service.
CHAIR:
Shall the long title
carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, title carried.
CHAIR:
Shall I report the bill
without amendment?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
Motion, that the Committee report having passed the resolution and a bill
consequent thereto, carried.
CHAIR:
The hon. the Government
House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Chair, I
move that the Committee rise, report the resolution and Bill 1 number 1 or
CLERK:
Bill 2.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Bill 2 sorry
carried without amendment.
CHAIR:
Order please.
The
motion is that the Committee rise, report the resolution, and Bill 2 carried
without amendment.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
When shall the report be
received?
MR. A. PARSONS:
Now.
On
motion, that the Committee rise, report progress and ask leave to sit again,
Mr. Speaker returned to the Chair.
MR. SPEAKER
(Osborne): The
hon. the Deputy Chair of Committees.
MR. LANE:
Mr. Speaker, the
Committee of Supply have considered the matters to them referred and have
directed me to report that they have adopted a certain resolution and
recommend that a bill be introduced to give effect to the same.
MR. SPEAKER:
The Committee of Supply
reports that the resolution and Bill 2 be carried without amendment.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
Those against?
Carried.
On
motion, report received and adopted.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government
House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
I
moved, seconded by the Minister of Municipal Affairs, that the resolution be
now read the first time.
MR. SPEAKER:
The motion is that the
resolution be now read a first time.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
CLERK:
That it is expedient to
introduce a measure to provide for the granting to Her Majesty for defraying
certain expenses of the public service for the financial year ending March
31, 2017 the sum of $2,791,692,300.
On
motion, resolution read a first time
MR. SPEAKER:
This resolution has now
been read a first time.
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I moved,
seconded by the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board, that
the resolution be now read the second time.
MR. SPEAKER:
The motion is that this
resolution now be read a second time.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
Those against?
Carried.
CLERK:
That it is expedient to
introduce a measure to provide for the granting to Her Majesty for defraying
certain expenses of the public service for the financial year ending March
31, 2017 the sum of $2,791,692,300.
On
motion, resolution read a second time.
MR. SPEAKER:
This resolution has now
be read a second time.
What
shall the resolution be read a third time? Now?
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I moved,
seconded by the Minister of Education, for leave to introduce the Interim
Supply bill, Bill 2.
I
further move that the said bill be now read the first time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It has be moved and
seconded that Bill 2 be now read a first time.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
Those against?
Carried.
Motion, the hon. the Minister of Finance to introduce a
bill, An Act For Granting To Her Majesty Certain Sums Of Money For
Defraying Certain Expenses Of The Public Service For the Financial Year
Ending March 31, 2017 And For Other Purposes Relating To The Public
Service, carried. (Bill 2)
CLERK: A bill,
An Act For Granting To Her Majesty Certain Sums Of Money For Defraying
Certain Expenses Of The Public Service For The Financial Year Ending March
31, 2017 And For Other Purposes Relating To The Public Service. (Bill 2)
On
motion, Bill 2 read a first time.
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been read a first time.
When shall the bill be read a second time?
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I move,
seconded by the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services, that the
Interim Supply bill be now read the second time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It has been moved and
seconded that this bill now be read a second time.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
CLERK:
A bill, An Act For
Granting To Her Majesty Certain Sums Of Money For Defraying Certain Expenses
Of The Public Service For The Financial Year Ending March 31, 2017 And For
Other Purposes Relating To The Public Service. (Bill 2).
On
motion, Bill 2 read a second time.
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been
read a second time.
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I move,
seconded by the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board, that
the Interim Supply bill be now read a third time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It's been moved and
seconded that this bill be read a third time.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
CLERK:
A bill, An Act For
Granting To Her Majesty Certain Sums of Money For Defraying Certain Expenses
Of The Public Service For The Financial Year Ending March 31, 2017 And For
Other Purposes Relating To The Public Service. (Bill 2).
On
motion, a bill, An Act For Granting To Her Majesty Certain Sums Of Money
For Defraying Certain Expenses Of The Public Service For The Financial Year
Ending March 31, 2017 And For Other Purposes Relating To The Public
Service, read a third time, ordered passed and its title be as on the Order
Paper. (Bill 2)
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been
read a third time.
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I move,
seconded by the Member for Stephenville Port au Port, that the House do
now adjourn.
MR. SPEAKER:
The motion is that this
House do now adjourn.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
This
House stands adjourned until Monday at 1:30 in the afternoon.
On
motion, the House at its rising adjourned until tomorrow, Monday, at 1:30
p.m.