February 27, 2017
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS
Vol. XLVIII No. 59
The
House met at 1:30 p.m.
MR. SPEAKER (Osborne):
Order, please!
Admit
strangers.
We would
like to welcome to the public gallery today Mayor Derm Flynn from the Town of
Appleton. Welcome, Mayor Flynn.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
As well. I've been notified
of a birthday here in the House today, so I know Question Period will be rather
pleasant and festive. It's the Opposition House Leader's birthday.
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Hear, hear!
Statements by
Members
MR. SPEAKER:
For Members' statements
today, we have the Members for the Districts of Harbour Main, Cape St. Francis,
Harbour Grace Port de Grave, Fortune Bay Cape La Hune, Conception Bay South
and Virginia Waters Pleasantville.
The hon.
the Member for the District of Harbour Main.
MS. PARSLEY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise
today to congratulate the volunteers and staff that made this year's Crystal
Carnival in the Town of Holyrood such a great success.
The 2017
carnival took place from February 17 to 26 and saw hundreds of residents and
visitors converge on the town to take part in the festivities. This included
things such as an ice-carving demonstration, a dinner and dance, bingo games,
snow-bubble soccer and truffle dipping with the Newfoundland Chocolate Company
which I hear was a great success.
In
addition, the Crystal dip saw many participants take a plunge into the icy
waters of Holyrood in support of the K-Rock Children's Trust Fund.
The
carnival demonstrates to all that a willing group of hard-working volunteers can
turn their hands to anything and make it a great success. It is events like the
Crystal Carnival that make our communities such a great place to live, work and
play.
I ask
all Members to join me in congratulating this year's organizers of the Holyrood
Crystal Carnival and send them best wishes for the years to come.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the
District of Cape St. Francis.
MR. K. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise
in this hon. House today to congratulate Kaitlyn Dalton of Flatrock on winning a
writing competition with her speech, What Canada Means to Me.
Kaitlyn
is a grade eight student at Holy Trinity High in Torbay. She is also a very
proud Canadian who clearly loves her country and all that it stands for. Based
on her entry, Kaitlyn was selected as one of four finalists taken to CBC studios
to tape their speeches. A week later, Kaitlyn was notified that she had been
selected as the winner.
Winning
the competition provided Kaitlyn with the opportunity to present her speech in
front of thousands of people who had gathered at St. John's City Hall this past
New Year's Eve to celebrate Canada's 150th birthday. No doubt, this was a very
proud moment for Kaitlyn, her family, her school and her community.
Mr.
Speaker, I ask all hon. Members to join me in commending Kaitlyn for her winning
speech and for the pride she has in our country.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Harbour Grace Port de Grave.
MS. P. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It's
great to be back.
Today I
stand to recognize outstanding volunteer, Ms. Dianne Trenchard of Bay Roberts.
Following retirement from the Provincial Information and Library Resources
Board, Dianne offered to help run an auction and was subsequently offered a seat
on the board of directors of the Bay Roberts Cultural Foundation. This
foundation is a non-for-profit, registered, charitable organization established
to preserve and sustain the traditions and practices of outport life for present
and future generations.
Currently, the foundation is raising money towards a Regional Performing Arts
and Wellness Centre. Every week, Dianne set up the legion for Chase the Ace,
lines up the entertainment and runs the 50/50. She is a firm believer in giving
back and paying it forward.
Reader's Digest
recently name Bay Roberts as one of the top 10 places to spend Christmas, and
Dianne says volunteers played a huge role in making this happen.
Ms.
Trenchard is this year's recipient of the Christine Bussey, Most Spirited Award.
This recognition was created as a legacy in memory of a beautiful soul, who was
a dedicated volunteer in the town. It is presented to a member of a committee
directly involved with the town's departments of tourism and recreation.
Colleagues, please join me in congratulations.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Fortune Bay Cape La Hune.
MS. PERRY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is
indeed a pleasure for me to rise today and pay tribute to the remarkable
firefighters, first responders, Lions members, countless volunteers and
community groups that make my district distinctly South Coast Strong.
Recent
disasters and tragic events have borne witness that residents along this coast
truly epitomize the characteristics of perseverance, kindness and camaraderie
that all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are famous for. Our community spirit,
along with our ability to respond effectively to the urgent and ongoing needs of
residents, following the unprecedented events of Hurricane Matthew and the
recent fires that destroyed our public buildings has been truly extraordinary.
Looking
back on how we weathered these storms together brings a great sense of pride.
Today, it is an honour to recognize our South Coast Strong volunteers who
rallied so admirably in response to adversity. We know you are always working
steadfastly every day, and we thank you for being the very heart of our
communities.
I ask
that all hon. Members join me in congratulating and thanking our South Coast
Strong volunteers. This is a tough one today, because it's been emotional for
us. It's incredible how much we can accomplish when we work so harmoniously and
courageously together.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay South.
MR. PETTEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise
today to inform my hon. colleagues about an exceptional individual from my
district who has been named one of the best principals in the country. David
Locke, the principal of Holy Spirit High School, Conception Bay South, is among
40 people across the country listed among Canada's Outstanding Principals.
David
Locke has received national recognition for his work as an educator. The
Learning Partnerships news release said David Locke is a leader who builds trust
with his staff, students and the broader school community. He is intentionally
visibly in the halls and classrooms of Holy Spirit High School, interacting and
connecting with his 900 students, often referring to them by name.
Since
his arrival, the graduation rate at Holy Spirt has consistently been near or at
the top of the province. Additionally, the percentage of students in the
non-academic stream has been decreasing.
Principals are nominated for Canada's Outstanding Principals list by their
colleagues, school staff and community members. The Learning Partnership is a
national charity dedicated to supporting, promoting and advancing
publicly-funded education in Canada.
I ask
all Members to join me in congratulating Mr. David Locke on being selected as
one of Canada's Outstanding Principals.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Virginia Waters Pleasantville.
MR. B. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise
today in this hon. House to highlight an incredible event that was held at the
Masjid-an-Noor mosque in Virginia Waters Pleasantville on Feb 3.
The Human Shield Protect Our Mosques event, organized by
Gobhina Nagarajah, saw hundreds of people turn out in solidarity with our Muslim
community here in St. John's to denounce
Islamophobia and bigotry.
It was
an honour for me to attend this event and speak to the members of MANAL and
those who came out to show support. The turnout at the event makes it clear that
hate will never overshadow the strength of our community in this city or this
province.
MANAL
does an excellent job of acting as a bridge in our community and I want to
thank, personally, Dr. Pirzada, and the rest of MANAL for their hard work,
acting as a refuge and a source of strength for many in a very difficult time.
I ask
all hon. Members to join me in declaring that the horrifying acts of terror and
violence in Quebec City cannot become the norm. Now, more than ever, we must
stand up and say we reject Islamophobia. We reject racism. In Newfoundland and
Labrador, we welcome everybody.
Thank
you very much, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Statements by Ministers.
Statements by
Ministers
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Advanced Education, Skills and Labour.
MR. BYRNE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, I'd like to express my sincere condolences on behalf of the Government
of Newfoundland and Labrador to the family of Dr. Angus Bruneau, whose work and
whose generosity impacted so many Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
Mr.
Speaker, among his many accomplishments, Dr. Bruneau served as the founding Dean
of Memorial University's Facility of Engineering and Applied Science, and helped
establish the Canadian Academy of Engineering. He also founded Fortis
Incorporated and served as the company's president and CEO for almost a full
decade.
Throughout his life, Dr. Bruneau endeavoured to give back to his community, to
his province and to his country. Together, with his wife, Jean, they donated
millions of dollars to many causes including providing support to Memorial
University of Newfoundland.
Their
contributions to the university have resulted in the creation of the Angus
Bruneau Student Leadership and Innovation Fund in Engineering and the Bruneau
Centre for Excellence in Choral Music. In 2011, Memorial University renamed the
Inco Innovation Centre in his honour.
Mr.
Speaker, I ask all Members of the House of Assembly to join with me today as we
remember Dr. Bruneau's contributions to Newfoundland and Labrador and extend our
deepest sympathies to his wife, Jean, to his entire family and to his huge
network of friends.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay East Bell Island.
MR. BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I thank
the minister for an advance copy of his statement. We join with government and
all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians in expressing condolences, as well as our
gratitude, to the late Dr. Angus Bruneau and his family.
Mr.
Speaker, Dr. Bruneau has had an immense impact on our country, province, its
institutions and its people. Together with his wife, Jean, they gave unselfishly
to numerous worthy projects and causes, benefiting so many people along the way
and certainly will continue well into the future. As the minister alluded to,
our province's university was a major recipient of this generosity and, through
their charitable acts, the Bruneau legacy will live on well into the future.
On
behalf of the Official Opposition, I wish to pass along our sympathies to the
family and offer thanks to Dr. Bruneau's massive contributions to Newfoundland
and Labrador.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
I'm very
pleased to stand and join with the minister and my colleague from the Official
Opposition in offering condolences to the family of Dr. Angus Bruneau. The arts
were indeed among his greatest passions. As the minister noted, he and his wife,
Jean, donated $1 million to Memorial to fund, among other things, the Bruneau
Centre for Excellence in Choral Music. This donation was the largest made by a
private citizen in the university's history. He was also founding chair of
Festival 500.
Thanks
to Angus Bruneau.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Further statements by
ministers?
The hon.
the Minister of Education and Early Childhood Development.
MR. KIRBY:
Mr. Speaker, I rise in this
hon. House today to announce that during Violence Awareness Week, 38 schools
were recognized for their efforts in achieving safe, caring and inclusive
learning environments, promoting positive school climates and sustaining safe
and caring communities.
To help
with these efforts, the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development
provided $20,000 shared between 38 schools through the Safe and Caring Schools
Special Project Awards.
Mr.
Speaker, ensuring the students of Newfoundland and Labrador have a positive,
safe and caring environment in which to learn is a key priority for this
government. Our Safe and Caring Schools Policy helps to establish this climate.
As part
of Violence Prevention Week, K-12 students from across the province participated
in various activities to promote Pink Shirt Day. This year, students were asked
to think about a Pink Shirt Promise they could make to combat bullying. I was
fortunate to participate in one such event at St. Francis of Assisi School in
Outer Cove and I was amazed at the enthusiasm and the level of understanding on
display. It was quite impressive. We created important awareness that bullying
is not acceptable and we all play a role in preventing it.
Mr.
Speaker, I ask all hon. Members of this House to join me in congratulating this
year's recipients of this year's Safe and Caring Schools Special Project Awards.
A complete list of this year's award winners can be found on the department's
website.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay East Bell Island.
MR. BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I thank
the minister for an advance copy of his statement. We would also like to
recognize the 38 schools identified that went above and beyond for their efforts
in achieving safe, caring and inclusive learning environments as well as
promoting safe and caring communities.
Mr.
Speaker, while I'm happy to hear the minister recognize this day and the
participants, with pending layoffs on the horizon, cuts to inclusive learning
around the corner and recent cuts to government's Violence Prevention
Initiative, I have to wonder what this government's plan is for the province.
Mr.
Speaker, while I critique this minister and his government, I sincerely wish to
congratulate this year's recipients of Safe and Caring Schools Special Project
Awards. Keep up the great work. Trusting this group of students and educators
can help create positive change in our schools, community and in our government.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
And I
thank the minister for the advance copy of his statement. I'm happy to recognize
the 38 schools that the minister has recognized and the many other schools who
put so much effort into creating a culture of safety and inclusion, but I urge
the minister to ensure that government puts in place all the resources these
schools and others need to create safe and inclusive environments for all
students.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
Further statements by
ministers?
Oral
Questions.
Oral Questions
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It's
good to be back in the House of Assembly. As we come back to the House of
Assembly today it's clear, there is a trust deficit with this Premier and his
government
Mr.
Speaker, Newfoundlanders and Labradorians have lost faith in our government.
Many times they have told the people that things are going to be a certain way
and very soon after to find out that things are very different, and this has
been an ongoing pattern.
In
November, the Premier stated that there was no discussion occurring with Quebec
or Hydro-Quιbec that they were involved in. He went as far as to say none
whatsoever.
So I ask
the Premier: Do you stand by that statement?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I do.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well,
I'll ask the Premier this: Can you confirm, Premier, that Quebec government
wrote your government in May 2016 and requested a meeting to discuss energy,
more precisely the electrical sector and possibly partnership opportunities?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
No, I
can't.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
I can
tell you, it was through an ATIPP request that we filed that it was discovered
that a letter had been sent to the government. And, in fact, there's a trail of
emails that includes the Premier's email to being copied in the letter.
So I'll
ask the Premier: Can you tell this House of Assembly today, is it accurate and
correct that you received a letter from Quebec, from the Province of Quebec, and
asking to have discussions on the electricity sector?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I have
not seen the letter that the former premier is talking about. I'll check with
the officials and see where this is. But, Mr. Speaker, I've always said, if
there's a deal that could be made for the benefit of Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians, regardless if it's with Nova Scotia, whoever it is, we'll explore
those options, Mr. Speaker. So I'll check and see where this information is
coming from.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well,
it's the Quebec Minister of Natural Resources, Pierre Arcand, who stood last
year and publicly made comments that there was discussions happening between the
Government of Quebec and the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Interestingly enough, Mr. Speaker, this letter is signed by the same Quebec
minister.
So I'll
ask the Premier again: What was your government's response to the letter to the
Minister of Quebec who had asked for those discussions?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well,
the Leader of the Opposition in that letter that he's referring to, if memory
serves me correct, it was basically referring to the discussion that he had with
the Leader of the Opposition. That is what he was talking about.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
PREMIER BALL:
This goes back to the
discussion that was had in St. John's at the Council of the Federation, Mr.
Speaker. It was very clear that the Leader of the Opposition right now had those
discussions. I'm not sure how far they went. This came up just last year in this
House of Assembly, Mr. Speaker. But clearly, right now, if there's a deal that
can be made with any province, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick or if it's with
Quebec, Mr. Speaker, and it's in the best interest of Newfoundland and Labrador,
why would we not explore those options?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Before I
recognize the hon. the Leader of the Opposition, the rules in this Legislature
are very clearly established and my expectation that Members will follow the
rules is very clearly established. The only person I wish to hear speaking is
the person that I've recognized to speak.
The hon.
the Leader of the Opposition.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
What's
really interesting about this letter is not only did he receive a letter about
the discussions that Quebec was having with the Premier, the current Premier of
Newfoundland and Labrador, but not only that, the Premier extended the
conversations to Premier Wynne of Ontario, Mr. Speaker. Because the email trail
that we received for the Access to Information indicates from the chief of staff
that he discussed it with the Premier and the Premier told him he had spoken to
Premier Wynne in Winnipeg and they chatted about this. They actually had a
discussion about this.
So I say
Premier, when you say you're not having discussions, were you also having
discussions with Premier Wynne?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
In terms
of any discussion with Ontario, the only thing I recall that could have been
talked about there was the free flow of electricity with the Canadian free trade
agreement that we were negotiating. And, of course, it was something that was
important for us, as it's important for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians as part
of the free flow of electricity; something, Mr. Speaker, I would say that all
previous administrations said was important to our province. They could never
get this to the appropriate table. So right now there's a process that's ongoing
for the Canadian free trade agreement that would allow, potentially allow for
the free flow of electricity through Quebec.
So that
was a discussion that involved Ontario, I would say, Mr. Speaker. As a matter of
fact, the federal government was also involved in that as well, as they
recognize that for provinces to properly extract the natural resources that they
would have in their jurisdictions, for Newfoundland and Labrador that was
something that we were looking for.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
What we have here, Mr.
Speaker, is we have the minister from Quebec who's clearly on the record as
saying they were having discussions with the Premier of Newfoundland and
Labrador. We have discussions happening at meetings where Premier Wynne and the
Premier the Liberal Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador were having
discussions about this, and in so far as far as to go as the Premier of
Ontario asked for a copy of the letter.
So I'll
ask the Premier again: Did you actually send a copy of the letter to Premier
Wynne? Do you all of a sudden now know what this is about?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Right
now, as I said to the Member opposite now on a couple of occasions. The
discussion that we had with Ontario, and with other provinces, I would say, Mr.
Speaker, because this was part of the Canadian free trade agreement as part of
that, we had taken the position that we were interested in having a free flow of
electricity through Quebec that would open up the rest of the country, I would
say, for electricity out of Labrador, out of Labrador projects. And, Mr.
Speaker, we see that as a good thing. As a matter of fact, I think all
administrations would see that as something positive.
The
discussions that the Leader of the Opposition is now talking about are the
discussions that occurred in 2015 in St. John's with the former premier at the
Council of Federation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Not the case, Mr. Speaker,
and we'll get to that.
I want
to ask the Minister of Natural Resources: This letter was couriered to you; did
you share it with the Premier?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Natural Resources.
MS. COADY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
believe the Member opposite is referring to discussions around the Agreement on
Internal Trade. As the Premier has indicated, there were discussions and there
are ongoing discussions on the Agreement on Internal Trade which centers around
the free flow of electricity across this country. Something that's very
important, not only in Newfoundland and Labrador, but I would say, Mr. Speaker,
to nation building. And that is the nature of the discussions that we've ever
had around this issue.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It
doesn't answer the question, if she actually shared it with the Premier or not.
We know the minister has a problem sometimes sharing information with the
Premier. We want to know if she shared this letter.
The
letter clearly articulates, Mr. Speaker, very clearly articulates a desire for
the establishment of a business partnership between our two provinces in
relation to future developments in the domain of energy and, more precisely, the
electrical sector.
We asked
the Premier very clearly last year if there were any discussions taking place.
The minister of Quebec says there is. The Premier stood in his place and said
there was not.
I ask
the Premier: Why were you not open and transparent with the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
There
are no discussions ongoing with the Province of Quebec related to future
developments in Labrador.
Mr.
Speaker, we've had, as I said, as part of the Agreement on Internal Trade, the
Canadian free trade agreement, about the free flow of electricity through
Quebec. We see that as a good thing, Mr. Speaker. If we are able to get to that,
Mr. Speaker, it would open up a huge window of opportunity for us as a province.
Now,
with that said, we already know that with the current Muskrat Falls Project
there might be some opportunities within Nova Scotia, but, Mr. Speaker, the
current situation that we have in our province right now, whatever opportunity
exists for us as a province to bring economic benefits so that we can provide
social programs to this province, I'm willing to have that discussion but that
discussion is not something that's ongoing.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
In the
information received in the Access to Information request that wasn't disclosed
by the Premier, there's also an email here back to May 12 which was sent to the
Premier which indicates as well that the new CEO of Nalcor was going to be
copied on this as well.
So I'll
ask the Premier this: What discussions has the new CEO of Nalcor had about
energy assets and partnerships with the Province of Quebec?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I can't
speak to what discussions the new CEO would have had with Nalcor, but I will
tell you this, the CEO of Nalcor right now, just like every Member on this side
of the House of Assembly, is very concerned about rate mitigation in this
province. They are very concerned that the current project at Muskrat Falls
would lead this province to be paying in excess of 22 cents a kilowatt hour for
electricity, Mr. Speaker. That's as a result of decisions they had made.
So if
the CEO is having discussions with any particular jurisdiction in a way to
actually provide rate mitigation for people in our province, Mr. Speaker, I
would encourage him to do so.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. P. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It's our
understanding that back to February 10, 2016, the talks of Newfoundland
partnering with Quebec were initiated, at that time, at an Energy Ministers'
meeting. So I ask the minister: Can you confirm this?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Natural Resources.
MS. COADY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for
the question.
I have
met Mr. Arcand once at an energy meeting in August of last year. We have lots of
discussions around energy. The discussion I believe the hon. Member is looking
for is around the agreement on internal trade. At our energy table, we do
discuss concerns around making sure that energy is available in the North. We
talk about movement of electricity. There are lots of things spoken about at the
table, but nothing in particular between Newfoundland and Labrador and Quebec.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, last week the Auditor General concluded that the former CEO of Nalcor
was constructively dismissed. The Premier has said repeatedly that he resigned.
I ask the Premier, which one is correct, in your opinion?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I would
say that the words of the former CEO of Nalcor is correct. In his own words, he
said he was stepping down from Nalcor. As a matter of fact, Mr. Speaker, going
back to the report that the Member is talking about, I fully co-operated with
the AG. The AG has said that, Mr. Speaker. He has said that I certainly did not
mislead the people of this province.
It's the
subsequent days that came after this which is extremely interesting because it
was the board of Nalcor that on Thursday, two days after the Tuesday meeting,
the board of Nalcor this is publicly available information, so I'm guessing
the Members opposite would have this. On Thursday, it was the board that asked
the former CEO: Oh, by the way, when was your employment with Nalcor when was
it finished? When did you cease employment with Nalcor, Mr. Speaker? So clearly,
it was not something that happened at our Tuesday night meeting.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
So I
never got an answer to that question, so I'll as the Premier, quite simply, do
you agree with the Auditor General's conclusion that Mr. Martin was
constructively dismissed? Yes or no, please.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Mr. Speaker, the AG has come
to a conclusion that based on the information that led up to Mr. Martin's
termination, the cessation of employment, when he decided to leave, that there
was enough information that would consider to be constructively dismissed. That
was a separate issue then how the man, after, had left his employment.
Two
separate issues, Mr. Speaker. It was the board of Nalcor basically saying that
we terminated him. There's nothing in his contract the contract was designed
by the prior administration nothing in that contract that would ever
contemplate a premier or this government dismissing or terminating the
employment of the former CEO, Mr. Speaker. That was done clearly by the board.
The AG
concluded that based on the information that led up to this, there was a case
for constructive dismissal, which led to the severance payment, Mr. Speaker. If
we look at the emails that are publicly available right now, it is very clear
the board was asking Mr. Martin when his employment (inaudible).
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the
Premier: There's no separation between the termination of Mr. Martin and the
issues in regarding as to what transpired and what caused that to happen. They
are all linked; that's what the Auditor General had said.
So I'd
ask the Premier again: Please explain to us why you don't agree with the Auditor
General's recommendation on what transpired and what caused the termination of
Mr. Martin.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
What
caused the termination of Mr. Martin was Mr. Martin himself. As a matter of
fact, it was the board that reached out to Mr. Martin and asked him when, when
is it that your termination with your employer, with Nalcor, when is it that you
had left as a matter of fact, he went on to say that we would prefer that you
stayed on all of Wednesday so that you could participate in the board meetings.
So, Mr.
Martin, on Wednesday morning, he went to work. Mr. Martin went to work on
Wednesday morning, fully participated in a board meeting. The following day,
Nalcor, the officials at Nalcor, asked Mr. Martin: By the way, when did you
leave Nalcor? Do you have anything in writing to government? The answer was no.
If there wasn't anything in writing, well, we would like you to have your
termination effective the end of business day on Wednesday.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
Auditor General recognized very clearly that due diligence wasn't done in the
execution of the contract. The Minister of Finance, the former chair of Nalcor,
was aware of the employment contract for the CEO, so I ask the Minister of
Finance: Why didn't you inform the Premier about the termination clauses and the
implications of some of the decisions that transpired?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MS. C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
Member opposite asked this question earlier in the session and I provided an
answer at that time. The answer is that as a former director of the board at
Nalcor, I have fiduciary responsibility to maintain the privacy of information
that I would have received in fulfilling that role. I have legal opinions
verifying that and if the Member opposite would like to see those legal
opinions, certainly, as I said last fall, on ongoing questions, I'd be happy to
provide him that.
But if
the Member opposite is suggesting that as a Minister of the Crown I break the
law, I would inform him that I do not have any intention to do so.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
understand fully the fiduciary responsibility in regard to chair of the board,
but I'll ask the minister: As Minister of Finance, the minister responsible for
the President of Treasury Board and part of the executive of government, does
she think she would entitled to see Mr. Martin's contract in holding that
position? Why wouldn't you have asked for a copy of the contract?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MS. C. BENNETT:
Mr. Speaker, as the Member
opposite would certainly be familiar; the contract that was with Mr. Martin
would have been a contract between the company of Nalcor and Mr. Martin.
In my
role, I do not have access to nor have I had access to contracts for CEOs of
Crown corporations. Those contracts are with the boards of directors. And I
would remind the Member opposite, that the continuing reference from the
Member's office, including the Leader of the Official Opposition, in that I
somehow had access to provide that information to this government and they would
request that I break the law break my fiduciary responsibility is something
that is quite unacceptable.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Mr. Speaker, we understand
the Minister of Natural Resources had a copy and the Premier had a copy. I'm not
sure why the Minister of Finance wouldn't have a copy and want to review it in
her role.
Mr.
Speaker, the AG stated that the Minister of Natural Resources requested a copy
of the CEO contract and sent it to the Premier's office, or the Premier's Chief
of Staff.
I ask
the Minister: Did you read the contract before you sent it? And, again, did you
review it for the termination clause and what the cost could be for the
implications?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Natural Resources.
MS. COADY:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
And I'd
like to thank, publicly, the Auditor General for his comprehensive review of
this matter. I think he took a long time to deliberate on these issues and make
his conclusions.
Mr.
Speaker, regarding the contract; I told this House on June 1 that I had a copy
of the contract, requested a copy of the contract on March 3. I requested the
same following a Treasury Board meeting, discussing the finances of Nalcor and I
thought it was responsible of the Minister of Natural Resources to have a copy.
I did review it at the time. I absolutely did, and I then filed it. Because of
course, Mr. Speaker, and as we've said repeatedly and has been indicated by the
Auditor General, the contract of the CEO of Nalcor rests with the board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
So the
minister said she reviewed it on March 3. So based on that review, did she have
an understanding of what the termination clauses were? And, in her opinion, was
this constructive dismissal?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Natural Resources
MS. COADY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I will
speak to the Auditor General's report. The Auditor General did say in his
report, and I'm just going to read from page 19 where he said: the only explicit
decision made by the Premier at the April 19 meeting was that he could not
provide the public support asked for by Mr. Martin.
Now, Mr.
Speaker, this government has been reviewing the Muskrat Falls Project, has done
an awful lot of work with EY to ensure the cost we understand the cost
benefits and associated risks of the Muskrat Falls Project. We have put in place
and expanded a very well-experienced board of directors, really, a stellar board
of directors.
Mr.
Speaker, we have concluded our discussions around the Astaldi contract. Mr.
Speaker, we have negotiated an extension to the loan guarantee. There has been a
lot of work that we have done to ensure that the Muskrat Falls Project is on
track.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Mr. Speaker, the AG stated
that due diligence, as I indicated, was ignored by pretty well all concerned.
I ask
the Premier: Is he okay with the fact that two ministers, the Minister of
Finance and the Minister of Natural Resources, did not apply due diligence as
suggested by the Auditor General? And is he okay that the work done, that should
have been done, hadn't taken place in regard to the termination?
AN HON. MEMBER:
Good question.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well,
the AG's report clearly says it does not contemplate any consideration where
government would terminate the employment of the former CEO.
What
happened, Mr. Speaker, is very clear. When the board met on Wednesday, April 20,
they had three things in their agenda. One was the bonuses of the management
team. Secondly, was to review the employment contract of the former CEO. Mr.
Speaker, the third thing was to bolt for the door on Friday.
So they
were clearly interested not interested in looking after the well-being. They
clearly, as the AG said, they could've stayed or they could've left this
contract to a new incoming board. They refused to do that.
They put
in place a settlement agreement with much discussion, I would say, with the
former CEO, not with government. This is a contract that was clearly
administered by the board, Mr. Speaker. It was their decision to terminate the
employment.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
understand from the Auditor General, the Premier and the Minister of Natural
Resources sat in a room when the decision was actually made.
I ask
the Premier: When did you first have discussions with Stan Marshall on taking
over the CEO position?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, I
take exception to what the Member is saying about when he was dismissed. He
clearly was not dismissed. Why would an individual who is CEO of a major
corporation, Nalcor, go to work the next morning if he was dismissed the night
before? Why would the board of Nalcor be writing emails to the former CEO on
Thursday, two days after, asking: Oh, by the way, did you write anything to
government about the cessation of your employment? When do you believe your
employment ended? If you haven't put anything in correspondence, can you make it
for the end of day Wednesday so that we could have a full complement for board
participation?
So,
clearly, it was between Mr. Martin and the board that put the measures in place
for the termination of that employment.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
So I'll
ask the Premier again: When did you first have discussion with Stan Marshall
about taking over the CEO position of Nalcor?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, I
met with Mr. Marshall on Monday morning, April 18, and that meeting was set up
based on a prior conversation that I had many weeks ago with Mr. Marshall. He's
a gentleman that I have had discussions with in the past. He's had tremendous
expertise in this field. And the discussion on Monday morning, on April 18, set
up from a previous conversation, was about board governance.
It was
later that day that I called Mr. Marshall, as outlined in the AG's report there,
and we had a discussion about the future of Nalcor, if indeed I could not come
to a resolution with the CEO.
Mr.
Speaker, let's not forget that I did everything possible to actually support Mr.
Martin and keeping him there. It was the ultimatum that he put to this
government that put us in the very difficult situation, either you be a
cheerleader for me or I will leave. I could not do that, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House
Leader, for a very quick question.
MR. HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
That's
certainly what the AG has said if read the report, I'd say to the Premier.
Mr.
Speaker, the Premier just articulated how involved he was with the hiring of
Stan Marshall, but he claims to be hands off when it came to the termination of
the former CEO.
I ask
him to explain to the people of the province, what's the difference. It's the
same board, the same public entity, why so different rules?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
If you
go back to when Mr. Martin was put in place, it was very clear then that it was
the administration of the day that actually put Mr. Martin in place. As a matter
of fact, what was very interesting, Mr. Speaker, when I reviewed the information
that's now publicly available, back in 2009 with the renewal of the contract for
Mr. Martin, it took nearly six months. The board took the due diligence and the
proper time that it was required, six months, to renew a contract, Mr. Speaker,
but it took literally hours to put a settlement agreement in place to actually
terminate the employment of Mr. Martin.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
Last
fall's fiscal update projected the provincial unemployment rate to rise to 19.6
per cent by 2019, up six points from the current rate.
The Way Forward document,
government's vision for sustainability and growth, sets targets for just about
everything except jobs.
I ask
the Premier: May we assume that a drastically increased unemployment rate is the
jobs target of this government?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well,
needless to say that when you look at the province right now, coming off of
three mega projects that are currently coming to a conclusion, Mr. Speaker, they
are difficult times for this province. It's unprecedented in our history. We
know that, Mr. Speaker. And I would say again that there was very little
planning, very little management, put in place to actually prepare this province
for where we are today.
That is
the reason why we are making a significant investment into infrastructure in
this province, Mr. Speaker. We are looking and we've had significant discussions
on new opportunities. Economic diversification is well underway.
So it's
our job right now to do the best job that we can do putting jobs in place, in
particular in some of the rural communities in our province, Mr. Speaker.
There's certainly lots of interest now in Labrador West. We're seeing
significant opportunities offshore.
We are
taking
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER BALL:
the job situation in our
province seriously.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
The
Government of Alberta didn't lose its nerve in the face of tough economic
circumstances. Their budget was called the Alberta Jobs Plan, and they are now
projected to lead the country this year in economic growth.
I ask
the Premier: Where is the Newfoundland and Labrador jobs plan? I just don't want
words; I'd like him to answer.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well,
the Member opposite is saying you want words; you want an answer. Well, I would
suspect that the Member opposite would do some research, Mr. Speaker, and see a
very big difference in what's happening in Alberta than what's happening in
Newfoundland and Labrador.
Alberta,
a province of literally zero debt and cash in the bank on a per-capita basis;
Newfoundland and Labrador at the other end of the spectrum, Mr. Speaker, with
the highest amount of debt per capita. The situation is very different in
Alberta than it is in Newfoundland and Labrador, I say.
So I'd
encourage the Member opposite, before you get up and put this in a situation
comparing Newfoundland and Labrador to Alberta, to get your facts straight and
you will see a much different situation in our province than it is in Alberta.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
We've
just lost 287 non-bargaining unit positions in this public service.
I ask
the Premier: How many indirect and induced job losses does he expect will occur
in the private sector as a result of these layoffs? Did he do his research?
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, I
again encourage the Member opposite to do some research. In her election
platform last year when it was her own leader, it was her own leader that is
looking for a job, by the way, from what I hear. It was her own leader that made
mention that he was actually going to reduce significantly the size of the
Executive Council and so on. So job cuts were also part of their election plan,
I say, Mr. Speaker.
This is
very difficult times for our province, Mr. Speaker, and we really value the work
that the public sector has done. But when you look at where we are in terms of
putting in sustainable jobs for the public sector, what we did last week was
something that I don't none of us on this side of the House, none of us would
enjoy doing this. But adding the sustainability to those that are left and those
public sector employees was also very important to us. Putting in place a
correct balance is something that we will always strive for.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's Centre, for a quick question.
MS. ROGERS:
Mr. Speaker, I ask the
Minister of Justice: What can he do to help restore confidence and trust in our
provincial police service, and can he give us an update on his proposed pilot
program for free legal advice to sexual assault complainants in criminal
matters?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Justice and Attorney General.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
And I
thank the Member opposite for the question. I have every confidence in the
police forces of this province, the women and men that do this job day in and
day out. And I say this as it relates to police forces or doctors, or
politicians or lawyers we will not let the actions of one tar and feather the
actions of the rest who do good work on a day-to-day basis. I maintain my
confidence in them.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. A. PARSONS:
That being said, we have to
be allowed to ask questions, and that's what people do. We want to see that
leadership provided. We've seen a situation where the public is upset and we
will continue to ask questions, but I will support the men and women doing this
job.
As it
relates to the sexual assault response pilot program, I'd be happy to inform
this House that I'll have news on that very shortly. It's something that we are
very proud of and looking forward to providing an update in the very near
future.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The time for Question Period
has expired.
Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.
Tabling
of Documents.
Notices
of Motion.
Notices of Motion
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Environment actually, it's a new department.
The hon.
the Minister of Service NL.
MR. TRIMPER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I give
notice that I will ask leave to introduce a bill entitled, An Act To Amend The
Public Safety Act, Bill 67.
MR. SPEAKER:
Further notices of motion?
The hon.
the Minister of Service NL.
MR. TRIMPER:
Mr. Speaker, I also give
notice that I will ask leave to introduce a bill entitled, An Act To Amend The
Highway Traffic Act No. 5, Bill 68.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MS. C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I give
notice that I will ask leave to introduce a bill entitled, An Act To Amend The
Financial Administration Act No. 3, Bill 66.
And
also, Mr. Speaker, if I might, I give notice that I will ask leave to introduce
a bill entitled, An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act No. 2, Bill
65.
MR. SPEAKER:
Further notices of motion?
The hon.
the Minister of Health and Community Services.
MR. HAGGIE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I give
notice that I will ask leave to introduce a bill entitled, An Act To Amend The
Health Professions Act, Bill 69.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Cartwright L'Anse au Clair.
MS. DEMPSTER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise
to give notice that I will move the following private Member's resolution,
seconded by my colleague, the hon. Member for Burin Grand Bank.
WHEREAS
only 34 female MHAs have been elected in Newfoundland and Labrador since 1930;
and
WHEREAS
as of June 2016, only 22.8 per cent of all national parliamentarians were women;
and
WHEREAS
the recent Daughters of the Vote event saw significant interest among women
across the province to become involved in political and leadership roles;
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that this hon. House urges the Government of
Newfoundland and Labrador to encourage increased participation of women in
leadership and political roles.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
private Member's resolution just entered by the Member for Cartwright L'Anse
au Clair, pursuant to Standing Order 63(3), that will be the resolution to be
debated this Wednesday.
Thank
you.
MR. SPEAKER:
Further notices of motion?
Answers
to Questions for which Notice has been Given.
Petitions.
Petitions
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay South.
MR. PETTEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the
hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents of Newfoundland
and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS
Route 60 is a main highway that runs through the Town of Conception Bay South,
it's a vital artery in the provincial road network; and
WHEREAS
Route 60 is one of the most heavily travelled roads in the province; and
WHEREAS
Route 60 has been deteriorating and requires major upgrades;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the House
of Assembly to urge government to allocate funds to upgrade Route 60.
And as
in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr.
Speaker, that petition is directly, of course, from my district. During a recent
announcement of the five-year Roads Program Route 60 was excluded, or is not
there on the list yet. I realize there is a time that it could be put there, but
it's an issue that I've made clear for the last year since I was elected, that
road is in need of major repairs. So I was a bit taken aback when I read this
roads list and it was excluded.
To go to
further, comments that I've made publicly on this issue is I've been calling
upon the Minister of Transportation and Works to provide the full roads list for
the entire province. We have X number of provincial roads, why not provide the
comprehensive scoring list for every road in the province so people can see
where and if and what these roads will ever have an opportunity to see the light
of day getting work done. I'm sure they all will eventually but if you provided
the listing and the scoring for those roads, at least we could say: it's fine to
say you're taking the politics out of paving but your actions have to match your
words.
So if
you're saying you're providing this list, provide the full list. Not just a list
of the roads you're tendering to get work done on, provide the entire list. You
can always change your tendered road or a list. Once it's tendered, it's
different. These roads are not tendered. They're on a list. They can be subject
to change should something happen.
So it's
fine to say you don't want to box yourself in, but I take personal exception to
Route 60 in my own district. I'm sure other Members as well feel the same way on
roads in their own district. They do not know where they stand on the list. And
I'll call upon the minister again I'm pushing 10 months asking for it and I'll
continue provide us a list. At least we know where we stand, instead of we sit
there on bended knees, go in cap in hand and, hopefully, he's going to put our
road on the list next year if we don't ruffle too many feathers.
So, Mr.
Speaker, I'll ruffle feathers or whatever. The people of the my district, that
happens to be the second largest municipality in the province, are constantly on
me about this and I'm going to keep speaking about it publicly because I feel
that it's high time for the Minister of Transportation and Works to pay some
more attention to those main arteries and if he's taking the politics out of
paving, do what's required on Route 60.
Thank
you very much.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Mount
Pearl North.
MR. KENT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the
hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents of Newfoundland
and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS
Marine Atlantic ferry rates continue to rise, becoming increasingly more cost
prohibitive; and
WHEREAS
increased rates impact the cost of goods being shipped into our province, as
well as those products being exported out by local businesses; and
WHEREAS
tourism is negatively impacted by the ever increasing, cost prohibitive means of
ground transport into the Island portion of our province;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the House
of Assembly to urge government to open a line of communication with the federal
government and begin to advocate on behalf of residents and businesses of the
province, not stopping until results are realized.
And as
in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr.
Speaker, this is an issue that Members on both sides of the House have spoken
about many times in the past and in recent history as well. We hear lots about
the warm, fuzzy, happy relationship between our provincial government and our
federal government, and it's great that everybody's happy and getting along and
having Sunday night calls with the minister. That's great. It's wonderful, but
results matter, Mr. Speaker. And on an issue like this, that I know is of
concern to several Cabinet ministers on the front bench of the government who
have been vocal in their previous roles prior to being in government, if the
warm, fuzzy, cosy relationship exists, then hopefully we'll see some results and
some progress.
AN HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible.)
MR. KENT:
He's excited. It's birthday,
Mr. Speaker. So I'm going to cut him some slack today.
This is
a really serious issue. I know the government has finally acknowledged that
they've written the federal government and they're going to talk about it and
they're going to express some concern about the issue, but I would hope that
this would be a really critical and important issue to the government and they
would be calling on their cousins in Ottawa to put a stop to continuous Marine
Atlantic rate increases.
What
we're seeing now on April 1, the rates will go up another 2.6 per cent and
Marine Atlantic are saying it's necessary to reflect the continuing increased
costs associated with material, supplies and labour, and to help the company
provide reliable service. Well, this is what we've heard for years from Marine
Atlantic.
So I'm
calling on all Members of the House of Assembly to be concerned about this.
Petitioners are calling on the House of Assembly to be concerned about this;
but, more importantly, we're calling on the Liberal government to reach out to
their friends and colleagues in Ottawa and demand some action. It's great for
everybody to be getting along, but if it doesn't result in anything happening,
if it doesn't result in any benefits for Newfoundland and Labrador, then that's
a problem, Mr. Speaker. This should be a relatively easy one for our federal
Liberal government and our provincial Liberal government to get together and
solve.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's Centre.
MS. ROGERS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the
hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS
government plans to remove the provincial point of sale tax rebate on books,
which will raise the tax on books from 5 per cent to 15 per cent; and
WHEREAS
an increase in the tax on books will reduce book sales to the detriment of local
books stores, publishers and authors, and the amount collected by government
must be weighed against the loss in economic activity caused by higher book
prices; and
WHEREAS
Newfoundland and Labrador has one of the lowest literacy rates in Canada and the
other provinces do not tax books because they recognize the need to encourage
reading and literacy; and
WHEREAS
this province has many nationally and internationally known storytellers, but we
will be the only people in Canada who will have to pay our provincial government
a tax to read the books of our own writers;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the House
of Assembly to urge government not to impose a provincial sales tax on books.
And as
in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Now, Mr.
Speaker, it seems to fly in the face of reason, the imposition of a provincial
tax on books. It makes no sense at all. Considering we have the highest
illiteracy rate; we have soaring unemployment; we have a problem, a huge
problem, in the fiscal realities of our province. People are hurting. We have
inflation. And we know that education is the keystone of empowering our people,
and empowering our people so that we can weather the storm. That is the role of
government. The role of government, particularly in hard times like this, is to
empower communities, to strengthen communities, to strengthen individuals.
This
kind of measure is the antithesis of that. We look, particularly, on the effects
of students. I'm not so sure that government really thought through the
ramifications of this particular decision. Let's see how it will hurt students.
At
Memorial University, the Heart of Darkness,
which would be a required book in an English course, is $16 plus tax.
Microelectronic Circuits is $250 plus
tax. Supply Chain Logistics Management
is $303.95 plus tax. We are taking money out of the pockets of some of the most
vulnerable people in our communities, and that's students. Students who will
carry high student debt, students who have to work in order to be able to
continue their studies and we're taxing their textbooks.
We know
that education, again, is one of the cornerstones to empowering our people so
that they don't live in poverty, so that they can help the economy in and of
itself be strengthened, that they can build the economy of our province. It is
one of the most short sighted aside from the levy that this government imposed
when they came down with their last budget, this tax is so short sighted. When
the government talks about flatter and leaner, I think it's flatter and meaner.
It's one of the most idiotic taxes that we've seen in a long time.
Michael
Crummey, as a matter of fact, said that the government will make more on the tax
of books that he has written than he will himself as a writer. That makes no
sense at all, Mr. Speaker.
Thank
you very much.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay East Bell Island.
MR. BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the
hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents of Newfoundland
and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS
the provincial government arbitrarily cut 24-hour snow clearing services in the
2016 budget; and
WHEREAS
cutting 24-hour snow clearing services has led to unsafe road conditions and
endangering lives; and
WHEREAS
government has an obligation to provide a safe system of transportation that
meets the needs of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians;
The
undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call the House of Assembly to
urge government to listen to the people and reinstate 24-hour snow clearing
services.
And as
in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr.
Speaker, over the last number of months, my colleague from Conception Bay South
has very eloquently got up and echoed the concerns of the people of this
province, particularly in those areas where 24-hour snow clearing not only was
part of the ongoing road system around winter maintenance and safety, but was
necessary because of the volume of traffic that was out there.
And it
was noted by thousands of people in emails the outrage, that safety has to be
the primary objective. And while I realized the minister and I was fortunate
enough to serve for two winters as minister of Transportation and Works must
be cognizant of their budget lines, but you can't put safety ahead of having to
make major cuts. You know, two budgets I had to make cuts around the Department
of Transportation and Works 24-hour snow clearing on the main arteries where
volumes of traffic dictate that it's travelling 24 hours, all times of the day,
in all kinds of weather, was not prudent and in the best interest of the people
of this province particularly doing it.
Would we
have liked to have had 24-hour snow clearing everywhere? Of course we would
have. But in high-volume areas when people have to be travelling in certain
areas and you know there's going to be a volume of traffic, we have a
responsibility to ensure and minimize the impact of the negativity of snow may
have on people and ensure safety is there.
So the
outrage has been there for a number of reasons. Outside of that, what I'm
hearing from depots and some of the people I've talked to, the costing, with the
call-outs in overtime is going to mitigate any savings that have been realized
or anticipated by the department. And that's something we have to look at here.
It has to be around the safety-related process. And I do agree sometimes you
have to make decisions around financial responsibilities and financial
obligations.
But, at
this point, this is being shown not to be in any way, shape or form a financial
exercise that saves the people of this province any money. What it does is
endanger people's live, ensure that businesses themselves have to change their
whole scheduling around when they travel. I've heard from cab companies about
the dangers in some of these areas. I've heard from courier companies. I've
heard from manufacturing companies. I've heard from trucking companies who've
said they're endangering the lives of those employees when they have to travel
the general public themselves.
And I do
realize the minister will try to mitigate any dangers by looking at being able
to call people out at a moment's notice, but unfortunately you can't dictate
what the weather's going to be, and unfortunately that has an impact. So I urge
the government to go back, reassess this and make a decision to reinstate
24-hour snow clearing.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
To the
hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS
Newfoundland and Labrador has the greatest percentage of the workforce earning
the provincial minimum wage in Canada, with women, youth and those from rural
areas making up a disproportionate number of these workers; and
WHEREAS
the minimum wage does not provide enough money for the necessities of life
because a person earning a minimum wage, working 40 hours a week, will make
between $21,320 and $21,840, which is barely above the low income cut-off of
$20,065 for St. John's, and a working couple on minimum wage, with two children,
will also make close to low income; and
WHEREAS
in 2012 the minimum wage review committee recommended an increase in the minimum
wage in 2013 to reflect the loss of purchasing power since 2010 and an annual
adjustment beginning in 2014 to reflect the Consumer Price Index; and
WHEREAS
government instead legislated two 25-cent increases, one in October 2014 and one
in October 2015 with no annual adjustment; and
WHEREAS
eight provinces and territories will have a higher minimum wage than
Newfoundland and Labrador, or did have by October 2015;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the House
of Assembly to urge government to legislate an immediate increase in the minimum
wage to restore the loss of purchasing power since 2010 and an annual adjustment
to the minimum wage beginning in 2016 to reflect the Consumer Price Index.
And as
in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr.
Speaker, this petition was signed prior to government finally taking some action
with regard to minimum wage and setting up the consultations that are now going
on with regard to the indexation of the minimum wage. The thing is the
indexation is going to be extremely important, but workers in Newfoundland and
Labrador have lost so much between 2010 and 2015 when the Consumer Price Index
rose twice as much than the increase in wages for people and the cost of food
rose 15 per cent, three times as much as the wage increases for people on
minimum wage.
So it's
going to be extremely important that if the government is going to start a
Consumer Price Index, they are going to have to correct the wage first before
starting the Consumer Price Index. They're going to have to make up for the loss
of wages that went on from 2010 to 2015, then look at doing the top-up to match
the CPI.
I'm not
sure what's in government's mind, but I know that people going to the
consultations are pointing this out to them. That we absolutely need the CPI,
but we need the wage to go up first. You know, we stagnated while others were
growing. We have to do more than catch up now.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I call
Orders of the Day.
MR. SPEAKER:
Orders of the Day.
Orders of the Day
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I've previously,
during Notices of Motion, gave notice on a number of pieces of legislation and
with the leave of my colleagues opposite, I would ask leave to do first readings
on three pieces of legislation today.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Does the
hon. the Government House Leader have leave?
AN HON. MEMBER:
Leave.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I don't
know if they were telling me to leave or if they are giving me leave, but thank
you.
Mr.
Speaker, I move, seconded by Minister of Education, for leave to introduce a
bill entitled, An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act No. 2, Bill 65,
and I further move that the said bill be now read the first time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded by
the hon. the Government House Leader that he shall have leave to introduce Bill
65 and that the said bill be now read a first time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
Motion,
the hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board to introduce a
bill, An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act No. 2, carried. (Bill
65)
CLERK (Barnes):
A bill, An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act No. 2. (Bill 65)
MR. SPEAKER:
Bill 65 has now been read a
first time.
When
shall the said bill be read a second time?
MR. A. PARSONS:
Tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
Tomorrow.
On
motion, Bill 65 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded
by the Minister of Natural Resources, for leave to introduce a bill entitled, An
Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act No. 3, Bill 66, and I further move
that the said bill be now read the first time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded by
the hon. the Government House Leader that he shall have leave to introduce Bill
66 and that the said bill be now read a first time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
Motion,
the hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board to introduce a
bill, An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act No. 3, carried. (Bill
66)
CLERK:
A bill, An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act No. 3. (Bill 66)
MR. SPEAKER:
Bill 66 has now been read a
first time.
When
shall the said bill be read a second time?
MR. A. PARSONS:
Tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
Tomorrow.
On
motion, Bill 66 read first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded
by the Minister of Service NL, for leave to introduce a bill entitled, An Act To
Amend The Public Safety Act, Bill 67, and I further move that the said bill be
now read the first time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded by
the hon. the Government House Leader that he shall have leave to introduce Bill
67 and that the said bill be now read a first time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
Motion,
the hon. the Minister of Service NL to introduce a bill, An Act To Amend The
Public Safety Act, carried. (Bill 67)
CLERK:
A bill, An Act To Amend The Public Safety Act. (Bill 67)
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been read a
first time.
When
shall the said bill be read a second time?
MR. A. PARSONS:
Tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
Tomorrow.
On
motion, Bill 67 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Again, I
thank my colleagues for leave to do first reading and I would now call from the
Order Paper: Address in Reply.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the
District of Lewisporte Twillingate.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. D. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for
the opportunity to deliver my maiden speech and to speak about the district I
represent and the pride I feel in being elected to this hon. House. Actually, I
think this is my fourth version of my maiden speech, so there have been a few
changes along the way.
It's
truly a great privilege to be out representing the beautiful and scenic District
of Lewisporte Twillingate. I would like to begin by extending my sincere
appreciation to the people who have worked so hard to get me here. While it's
dangerous to single out people, I have to recognize my co-campaign managers,
Betty Clarke and Brent Spracklin, who worked so diligently throughout this
journey.
We had a
very inexperienced team when we started. Most of us have never been involved in
a political campaign before. But what we lacked in experience, we made up for in
commitment. Our team was built on the belief that what we were engaged in was
important to our region's future. It was that team approach and the great people
working with us that brought success.
Mr.
Speaker, I would like to acknowledge Mr. Ronald Dawe and the Liberal party for
all their guidance and direction during the campaign process. Their contribution
and commitment did not go unnoticed. To my friends and supporters throughout the
district, thank you. You have trusted me to represent you as your Member of this
Assembly. You can rest assured that I will do all that I can to meet your
expectations.
During
my campaign I made one promise: that I would represent the people of my
district, of Lewisporte Twillingate, to the best of my ability. And I intend
to keep that promise.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. D. BENNETT:
There are so many people to
thank, it is almost overwhelming. To my daughter Catherine, my son Jonathan, and
his wife Robyn, thank you for all your love and support. To my mother-in-law and
father-in-law, Art and Jane Pickett, you've always been there for our family,
and there are no words to express my appreciation. Mr. Speaker, there's an old
saying: Behind every successful man, there's a really good woman. In my case,
there's a great woman, and that's truly, truly very supportive, my wife, Tina.
She has
been my greatest supporter; the source of my strength, the one that picks me up
when I'm down. Tina has always been there for me. While I spent countless hours
away from home, running recreation programs and special events in my previous
career, Tina was at the home front. During the election, this commitment did not
change. While I was out on the campaign trail, knocking on doors daylight and
dark, she continued to work herself and manage the home; helping me to prepare
my next day; doing data entry; and making sure I had a home-cooked meal every
night. Tina, without your support, this would not be possible. Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. D. BENNETT:
Mr. Speaker, I grew up in
Lewisporte and would like to share a little about its history. Settlers first
moved to Lewisporte in 1887 to take advantage of the prosperous fishing, logging
and shipbuilding industries. A railway station was built in 1900 at Notre Dame
Junction, just 11 kilometres south of Lewisporte. With the railway station
established, Timber Estates Limited, a sawmill operation, made Lewisporte a
shipping location, producing more than all other Newfoundland sawmills combined.
The mill was a major reason for the growth of our town.
During
the war years, Lewisporte played an important operation for the Canadian Forces.
Three army sites were constructed to protect the fuel supply to Gander.
Lewisporte's population increased as the town's transportation and distribution
functions became more important.
Lewisporte Wholesalers and Steers Limited began a wholesaling business in the
community and were suppliers to the rest of the province. Other companies
followed suit. Lewisporte became a major distribution centre. In 1946, the town
became incorporated and, by 1976, the population had grown to 3,200 people.
In the
1950s and '60s, the community made rapid advancements: water and sewer systems,
and a high school, Canadian National shed and wharf, paved streets and a local
newspaper were also added to the town. Modern banking, financial, legal, medical
services had been established, along with restaurants and hotel, and a vibrant
retail trade. Playgrounds and ballparks, along with the ice stadium, provided
recreational activities. Today, Lewisporte continues to serve as a hub for the
region and is a great place to work, to visit and to raise your family.
Mr.
Speaker, I attribute the person I am today to my parents Ross and Daisy Bennett.
They taught me life-long values of trust, honesty and consideration for others.
My father worked 42 years with the Canadian National. He retired at the age of
65 and passed away in 2003 at the age of 76.
My
mother spent her life as a homemaker. Together, Mom and Dad had 14 children,
seven boys and seven girls, then I came along to break the tie. Yes, I'm the
baby of 15 children and my siblings quickly remind me of that every chance they
get.
AN HON. MEMBER:
How old are they?
MR. D. BENNETT:
Oh, they're a lot older than
me.
I have
to thank my siblings and their extended families for all their support over the
years and during the election. Growing up, we didn't have a lot of material
things or riches, but we were rich in many other ways; we had a loving and
caring family.
Our
neighborhood wasn't the way it is now either. When I grew up, there were dozens
of children around and our lives were consumed with playing sports and doing
things outside. There were no cellphones, no laptops, and social media was
actually sitting down talking to one another face to face.
When I
told my mother I was planning to run for the House of Assembly, she was so
supportive and declared to anyone who would listen that I was going to win.
Sadly, just before the nomination, she passed away at the age of 92. I know
she's with my dad now looking down and, no doubt, proud of her big family and
their accomplishments, and in some way, still protecting her children.
Mr.
Speaker, prior to being elected or Madam Speaker, sorry prior to being
elected, I worked with the Town of Lewisporte as the Director of Recreation and
Tourism. Ironically, the date of my Liberal nomination was the 25th anniversary
of me working with the town. Jokingly, I told my friends that it was a sign; my
life sentence was served and now it's time for a new challenge. In reality, I
loved my job, worked with great people and enjoyed serving the community that I
still call home.
Through
my time with the Town of Lewisporte, I worked with a community that enjoyed
growth. My job was to develop recreation programs, facilities and community
special events such as the Mussel Bed Soiree. The Soiree has grown to be one of
the largest festivals in the province.
We
launched the Lewisporte Craft and Trade Show which is now celebrating its 20th
year and is the highest attended show off the Avalon.
I was
honoured to work with the development of the Lewisporte Marina Complex. And I'm
proud to say, because of the work of some visionary volunteers, it is the
largest marina facility for recreational boating in Atlantic Canada. This
world-class marina is home to local, provincial and national mariners. The
facility is getting international exposure and is quickly becoming a popular
destination for adventurous sailors from many foreign lands. With vessels
porting there from the United States, Switzerland, Austria and France, just to
name a few, Notre Dame Bay is a sailors paradise. It has been called the
Caribbean of the North, thanks to the numerous islands, anchorages and
magnificent scenery.
Madam
Speaker, my greatest satisfaction has always come from working with volunteer
committees and non-profit organizations. I have served on a number of capacities
over the years, everything from being President of Recreation Newfoundland and
Labrador to being the chairperson of the Central IcePak Major Midget Hockey Team
and an honourary member of the Kinsmen Club of Notre Dame. My past work and
volunteer experience, combined with my strong working relationship with the
people of my district, along with my desire to see the region group to its full
potential is the reason why I chose to seek election. I'm a strong believer, if
you want to see change; you have to contribute to making change.
My
District of Lewisporte Twillingate is made up of over 40 municipalities and
local service districts. Each one is special to me. The entire district is rich
in history and culture and these two things have made it a popular tourism
destination. Whether you are a visitor or a resident looking to experience the
beauty of icebergs, whales, scenic trails, or try your luck at catching a
codfish in season, of course there's always something to do.
Lewisporte Twillingate District offers an experience that is breathtaking and
memorable.
Mr. Speaker, the district boasts a number of festivals,
which I had the opportunity of attending this past summer. I'm going to take a
moment to talk about some of these great community events that are so important
to building community pride.
The Lewisporte Mussel Bed Soiree, which I referenced a few
minutes ago, celebrated its 30th anniversary and was host to five days of
activities for people of all ages. I have been involved in organizing the
festival for the past 25 years, so it was a different feeling being there as a
spectator this year versus being in charge of the event.
The Fish, Fun and Folk Festival, which is into its 35th
year, is one of the longest-running provincial festivals and is rated in the top
10 in Canada. This year was a
great success for the Fish, Fun and Folk Festival again.
The
Herring Neck Dory Race celebrated its third year this summer, and has become a
very popular event for tourists and locals alike. Although my dory racing skills
were pretty rusty, I had a great partner in 17-year-old Cameron Rice. Cameron is
one of the organizers and a true role model for youth.
Madam
Speaker, this past September, the Digital Arts Festival, entitled Unscripted
Twillingate, built on its successes from previous years. It provided local
businesses with the opportunity to extend the tourism season and showcase the
best of Twillingate through four days of workshops, entertainment and adventure
centred around the digital arts industry.
The
neighbouring community of Crow Head hosted come home year celebrations last
summer. The event brought home hundreds of past residents for a weekend of fun,
reminiscing about the past, reacquainting with old friends and making new ones.
In
addition to the festivals and sightseeing, there's so much more to experience in
the region. Madam Speaker, Twillingate really comes alive during the summer
months, and there's no wondering why it is rated one of the province's top
tourism destinations. My colleague behind me from the District of Bonavista, we
always have the ongoing debate over which area has the greatest visitation and
which is the best tourism destination.
The most
important thing is that all tourists continue to visit and we continue to
develop our potential. The positive impact tourism has on my district and our
province is immense. This year, many in the tourism industry saw increased
numbers in revenues from 20 to 50 per cent over previous years. From the Prime
Berth fishing village, which won three major awards this year, to Auk Island
Winery, which is producing some of the greatest wines in the province, we are
capitalizing on our tourism market.
Also in
my district, on Route 340, the Beothuk Interpretation Centre in Boyd's Cove, the
site of a Beothuk village that was inhabited over 300 years ago. Walk the trail
or tour their centre with exhibits and artifacts that foster appreciation for
this unique and now vanished culture.
When it
comes to tourism, we are in the top of our game. In addition to our great
tourism industry, there are other thriving businesses as well. The Cottle's
Island lumberyard employs over 100 people. It's a growing industry, diversifying
their business model by producing wood products that is being shipped across the
country.
The
fishery is also a big industry for us with processing plants in Comfort Cove,
Newstead and Twillingate. The district is home to a large group of fish
harvesters, all of whom make a living off the rich resources from our sea.
Although
there's a great deal of positive activity happening in the district, we are not
without our challenges. In March 2015, Breakwater Fisheries processing plant in
Cottlesville was destroyed by fire and will not be rebuilt. This was devastating
to the Town of Cottlesville. Over 100 people now face the challenge of finding
new employment.
Further
impacting the fishery in Notre Dame Bay is the reduction to the shrimp and crab
quotas, along with the early closure of the mackerel fishery. All of this has
had an impact on the fish plants in Comfort Cove, Newstead and Twillingate.
However, on the good news side, we have established a great working relationship
with our federal government. LIFO and other regulations have been changed so
that more product can be caught and produced by inshore fisherpersons.
The
announcement of the re-establishment of the coast guard service in Twillingate
will again provide a much needed, enhanced service for safety of our
fisherpersons, our tour operators and our mariners. We have to continue to build
on this relationship with Ottawa for the economic benefits of our province.
Madam
Speaker, maintaining quality health care is also a major concern for me and my
constituents. The sod turning ceremony for a new private clinic in Lewisporte
back in October was welcomed. It will result in more local physicians in a
modern facility. However, maintaining service in New World Island clinic and in
Notre Dame Bay Memorial Health Centre in Twillingate is also a concern. I'm
committed to working with the residents, Central Health and the Minister of
Health and Community services to enhance medical care wherever we can.
Madam
Speaker, back in October, my district was one of the hardest hit areas by
Hurricane Matthew. This one singular event destroyed what many residents worked
a lifetime to build. The devastation would have been much greater if it weren't
for the efforts of volunteers, first responders and municipal employees and
leaders who worked co-operatively to minimize the damage.
I have
to commend the Premier and the Minister of Municipal Affairs, and also the
Minister of Transportation and Works and their staff, local contractors, and
Fire and Emergency Services for their quick response and their tireless efforts.
Their efforts eased the stress of affected residents and their communities.
In
closing, Madam Speaker, although the past 15 months have been challenging, they
have also been very rewarding. I have made a lot of new friendships throughout
the district and am blessed to work with some of the greatest people you will
ever meet. I would also like to thank again my family and friends for supporting
me, and a big thank you to all the people of my great district for trusting me
to represent them.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MADAM SPEAKER (Dempster):
The Speaker
recognizes the hon. the Member for Mount Pearl North.
MR. KENT:
Thank you, Madam Speaker, and
welcome back.
I want
to begin by congratulating the Member for Lewisporte Twillingate on his maiden
speech this afternoon. I hadn't realized that we still hadn't gotten through all
the maiden speeches, given that we're a year and a half into a new term. But the
challenge is when there are a lot of new MHAs and there's a change in
government, of course there are going to be a lot of maiden speeches to give.
Fitting
them in, in the course of debate in the House of Assembly, sometimes takes some
time. So I know the Member's been on his feet in the House before today, but
congratulations on delivering your maiden speech this afternoon. He was a
gentleman about it and had good words to say about his district and people that
have supported him, so congratulations on that.
And
welcome to everybody, back to the House of Assembly. Earlier than normal;
earlier than when we've traditionally come back in the spring. And while the
snow outside has been reduced; it's certainly not spring yet. Spring, I think,
is still a ways away. But I am pleased that we have some more structure to the
House schedule, and I think that will result in a smoother process here. And I,
for one, support that change and am delighted to be back in the House of
Assembly.
Several
people said to me on the weekend: Oh, so you're back to work on Monday. I know
it's something we smile and can joke about, but it also can be a little
frustrating because the work of an MHA certainly spans well beyond the work that
we do in this Chamber. In fact, I'll often say to people casually that it's hard
to get work done when you spend the morning getting ready for the House of
Assembly, you're in for several hours, then you might get a few phone calls
returned, and it's particularly challenging for those that live outside of the
capital region.
For me,
I still get to go home to my district at some point this evening and met with
constituents and do whatever else I have to do. But that's more challenging for
those who come from rural districts. So the work of an MHA is certainly not only
when the House of Assembly is open. In fact, a lot of the work, the bulk of the
work we do, is outside of this Chamber, even though the work that we do here
together is really important.
During
this Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne it gives an opportunity to
talk about whatever we want to talk about. It gives us an opportunity to address
issues in our district, gives us an opportunity to talk about current matters
affecting the province and things that our constituents might be concerned
about.
So in
the brief time I have today, I'm going to take an opportunity to do some of
that. And, of course, now that we're back into the spring session, there were
some bills introduced today that we'll start debate on tomorrow. But because of
the parliamentary process, there aren't bills for us to debate today, which is
why we're able to rise and speak to the reply to the Speech from the Throne,
which is another parliamentary tradition.
So, on a
less positive note, I'd like to talk about some of the recent media reports and
controversy related to some changes that were announced last week. I'd like to
get an opportunity to talk about what's going on in my district in Mount Pearl
and St. John's, but I'd like to begin by talking about an issue that relates to
one of the portfolios that I'm the Official Opposition critic for, and that's
Culture. Despite the department name change last week, I was going to continue
to be the Culture critic regardless, along with my other duties.
I will
commend government and commend the minister for today's move, today's reversal
of last week's decision and now the word culture is back in the department
name, which I believe is the Department of Tourism, Culture, Industry and
Innovation.
So I
think words matter. It's not all that matters, but this was an issue that was
really important to our cultural sector and government we all heard loud and
clear that people were upset about the move last week. I commend the minister
for going before the microphones today and saying: Yeah, we made a mistake. We
heard loud and clear and we're making the change before a lot of money was
spent. The minister pointed out in his remarks this morning that there weren't
new letterhead printing and new business cards ordered. So it was good that the
reversal of the decision happened quickly. I think that's a positive thing.
However,
the however is that there are still cuts happening within the department that
our arts community, our cultural community, our heritage community, is very
concerned about. So while it seemed on the surface that it was simply about the
department name and, for some, it was about the symbolism of the department name
in terms of what that suggests about government priorities, it's actually a much
bigger issue than that. Because there are many people in our province and
outside our province who are affiliated with our cultural and arts and heritage
communities who are very concerned about some cuts to some key positions that
are happening.
So while
the name has been fixed, the current Liberal government is still proceeding to
eliminate the director of arts and to eliminate the director of heritage and
other positions as well within the newly defined Department of Tourism, Culture,
Industry and Innovation.
So it's
great that the department's name change that culture had been restored as part
of that, but there are still some key positions within the department that have
been cut and we've yet to get answers on what impact that will have on
operations. So I suspect the minister will say: Well, it's not going to have any
impact. We're going to realign duties and it's all going to be fine. But the
bottom line is that some fairly senior key positions that support our arts and
heritage sectors have been eliminated. So the question becomes: Who's going to
provide the administrative leadership and the support to those sectors with
those positions now gone?
So we're
talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars of cuts last week to our arts and
cultural and heritage sectors that are supported by the provincial government.
So that is still a concern, and I hope that we'll hear more from the minister in
terms of addressing that concern.
From
what I hear from the interview that was done with the minister this morning,
that issue was not really addressed. So I hope that at some point in media
interviews or at some point during the course of debate in the House of Assembly
that the minister will speak to that and speak to those ongoing concerns from
the arts and cultural and heritage communities about these cuts.
So it's
good that government admitted its mistake and is acknowledging the concern from
the sector, but let's make no mistake, government is still proceeding with cuts
to the heritage, culture and arts divisions of the former Department of
Business, Tourism, Culture and Rural Development that's now the Department of
Tourism, Culture, Industry and Innovation. So while words matter, the decisions
to cut some key positions, some key leadership roles that affect those sectors,
that matters a lot as well.
I'd like
the minister to tell us how many positions were cut, specifically what positions
were cut. And, further to that, what is the practical impact? What does he
suspect the impact will be on those sectors, and who's going to do that work and
who's going to provide that support going forward?
You
know, on the same day that government decided to change the name, shuffle some
chairs around and try and take some of the political heat off themselves by
doing some minor restructuring in some cases and major restructuring in other
cases, the same day that the word culture came out of the department's name, the
director of arts for the province, that position was eliminated. The director of
heritage position for the province was eliminated. So that seems significant to
me.
Beyond
the name change, arts advocates are saying loudly and clearly that they feel the
reductions in those key positions that I've mentioned is a cost-cutting
initiative that will make effective governance impossible. So I'd like to hear
the minister's thoughts about that. I'd like to understand from him why he feels
that's okay, and why he feels those cuts to those sectors are justified. And I'd
like him to speak to the specific concerns that he's heard from people in
industry.
I know
for a fact that he has received dozens of individual pieces of correspondence
from artists and those involved in the arts sectors in our province. They have
raised these questions and concerns, and I feel they deserve answers. I suspect
the minister will write them all back, but I hope he'll provide some clear
answers on how this work is going to get done, and how can you say that these
sectors are so important when you're still proceeding with cuts despite fixing
the name in the department.
The
minister referenced this morning the status of the artists legislation that's
going to be coming forward. On the surface I would say that sounds like a good
initiative and I look forward to learning more and seeing more on that, but I
wonder what the expected results will be. What will be the impact for artists?
What will be the impact on the overall arts sector? And will there be measurable
results, and how will those results be measured? How will those results be
reported on?
The
minister said in a recent interview as well that government is as committed to
culture as ever. Well, I'm hearing from people today who are finding that a
little hard to believe, Madam Speaker. Because how can you say that when in the
last week there have been significant cuts within the new department, once again
newly-named Department of Tourism, Culture, Industry and Innovation. And people
are also concerned about what's not being said at this point. They're concerned
about what other cuts may be coming as government goes through its budget
process.
Another
question I'd have for the minister relates to exactly that. Can we anticipate
even further cuts to areas like arts and heritage, and culture, as the spring
budget approaches? Based on what we've seen over the past week, I think the arts
community does have reason to be concerned. Let me just give you a flavour of
some of the concerns we've heard. And again, some of what I'm going to share
with you relates specifically to the name change, but as you'll hear, it's
bigger than that.
It's not
just about the name of the department. It's about the fact that some key support
to these sectors that contribute greatly to economic development in our
province, some key support to those sectors has been eliminated. Here's one note
from an arts leader in our community who wrote over the weekend to express some
concerns. And again, it's not just about the name of the department, which is
why I want to share these concerns with Members of the House of Assembly today.
Minister, thank you for saying that your door is open for discussion, because
words matter. Last night I saw The Once play the 800-seat theatre at the
National Arts Centre. The sold out performance ended with a three-encore
standing ovation. I would wager that the band said the word Newfoundland I
wish they had also said Labrador upwards of 20 times, maybe more.
A
production I am personally involved in, a stage-adaptation of
Colony of Unrequited Dreams, opened
last night at the 400-seat Neptune Theatre in Halifax to a full house and
standing ovations as well. The word Newfoundland is said 64 times in that
production. Ten days ago, that show finished its run here in Ottawa, playing to
close to 11,000 people.
This
afternoon, at the National War Museum, I saw the beautiful
The Door You Came In by Newfoundlander once-removed David
MacFarlane. Again, a sold out house, ending with tears and a standing ovation,
top to tail full of stories of our place. I would say he says the word
Newfoundland 30 times in the performance. I'm not able to begin to guess the
number of people who have been turning the pages of our writers, listening to
our musicians, and gazing into the works of our filmmakers and visual artists
over the past two days, but I promise you it is in the thousands. This is a
snapshot of just two days. That's a lot of Newfoundland and Labrador in a lot of
places at one time.
The
artists of our province provide untold value that can't be reduced down to
visits to gift shops. I've had two different people tell me that they moved to
the province after watching Robert Chafe's
Tempting Providence. What would happen if we remove the Newfoundland and
Labrador from all of these shows that are such a calling card for the province
and such a celebration of our place for the people who live there? Removing the
word culture from the Newfoundland and Labrador government priorities makes me
wonder why we try so hard.
So I
think those eloquent sentiments sum up a lot of the concerns that we're hearing
from people in our arts and cultural communities. We're hearing from actors and
artists and writers and poets and musicians and people in all kinds of facets of
the arts and cultural communities who are writing with very similar messages.
Even though the reversal of the decision on the name of the department was
announced this morning, these concerns continue to roll in today. And they
continue to roll in because the problem isn't solved by simply changing the name
of the department. It's great that that's happened. It's great that that's been
fixed, but the cuts that happened last week cannot be ignored and cannot be
forgotten about.
Let me
just share some more sentiments with you from some artists in our province. The
cultural industries are a significant driver of the economy of our province and
the health and well-being of its people. It is already an extremely broad term
that spans arts, heritage, food, clothing, language, history and more. It has
both for-profit and not-for-profit businesses. It covers buildings, it covers
individuals. Its workers are in the thousands with skills that are wide ranging
and needs that are differing. To bury such a huge and diverse industry under the
banner of others is a mistake.
To drop
culture from the name is to drop it in priority. In real terms, you're dropping
the priority of a recognized growth industry worth $455 million annually; one
that is a renewable resource, one that is a success story, one that brings in
tourism while ameliorating the lives of those who live here. To drop from view
such an industry shows an extreme lack of understanding that is undermining our
faith in your stewardship. To reduce key staff is a cost-cutting initiative that
will make effective governance impossible to reduce key staff is a
cost-cutting initiative that will make effective governance impossible. And
these are not my words; these are the words of artists and those involved in the
arts and cultural industries who are quite concerned about the decisions of this
Liberal government in recent days.
The arts
and cultural industries are filled with nationally recognized individuals, as
well as institutions with decades of experience being providers and drivers in
our communities. The Arts and Culture Centres are celebrating 50 years this
year. Rising Tide has been a cultural leader in this province for 40 years. The
Resource Centre for the Arts and the LSPU Hall has been launching artists for 40
years. The Stephenville Theatre Festival has been the backbone of culture and
tourism in the Bay St. George area for 39 years.
Artistic
Fraud of Newfoundland has over 20 years under its belt. Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians have toured around the world; have been seen on stages from
Stratford to Broadway to New Zealand. We run major institutions like the
National Arts Centre and the Toronto Dance Theatre. Our musicians are heard
around the planet. Our writers ignite the imaginations of millions; the work of
our visual artists, hanging collections worldwide.
Our
stories have been seen in such prestigious places as the Toronto International
Film Festival, Cannes, the Sundance Film Festival, Netflix, Discovery Canada
and, of course, the CBC. We've been nominated for Oscars and we've been
syndicated around the planet. We know our industry. We're deeply concerned about
this direction that the government is taking. We hope that you will find a path
forward that will enable the continued growth of this sector that you, the
government, have rightly identified as vital and important.
So there
are several actions that people are calling on government to take. One was
reinstating the word culture in the title of the department. So you can tick
that box. That's the easy one and that's been done. But they're also calling on
government to reinstate the key positions like the director of arts and the
director of heritage that were cut last week.
Now, I'm
not going to stand here and say that government shouldn't make changes to the
management structure of government departments. Some of those moves are
necessary. I get that there's an evolution that needs to happen within
government departments. But the overall approach to cuts that this government is
taking is haphazard and is irresponsible and there is a better way.
For
instance, we had a very aggressive attrition plan that could have been
accelerated that would have addressed some of the concerns about the size of the
public sector that we all have, or most of us have. So instead of following
through with that plan, the approach has been sporadic and haphazard and
knee-jerk, and now we're seeing real impact on some key sectors in our province.
Artists are also calling for assurances from government that funding for
arts and culture and heritage will be maintained and even expanded. I think it's
a huge economic development opportunity for our province. We can't just think of
is as supporting the arts, period. It's about investing in real economic growth
that's measurable. I mean, we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars
of economic activity each and every year in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Madam Speaker, I see my time is up. I hope that I'll get more
opportunities this session to rise and talk about other issues and talk about
issues related specifically to my district as well, but this was an important
one that I couldn't let pass today.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MADAM SPEAKER:
The Speaker recognizes
the hon. Minister of Fisheries and Land Resources.
MR. CROCKER:
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
I'm just getting used to that name of the department myself, but it's a
pleasure to stand here today and, first of all, represent the people of the
District of Carbonear Trinity Bay de Verde. It's always a privilege to stand
in this place and represent the people that elect you.
Madam Speaker, I guess the Member who just spoke raised some points about
negativity and where we're headed as a province. Well, you know, from the
challenges that we faced over the last 12 or 15 months as a province, I feel, as
a government, we've made some progress with some of the changes that,
unfortunately, we had to make and some of the things that we faced when we came
into government. But I'm just going to take a few minutes now, first off, I
think to talk about the department which I represent today and I'll lead into
the district that I represent because the two are tied very much I think.
I guess when you think about challenges, only this afternoon we're seeing
news coming out of DFO meetings here in St. John's with respect to the crab
stocks off our coast and, just about a week and a half ago, we heard concerns
raised around the shrimp stocks off our coast. So as a province, we're headed to
a period of transition in the fishery. It's very important that right now, we,
as government and, we, as a province and, we, as a House of Assembly work very
hard to ensure that the transition from shellfish back to groundfish is as
seamless as possible.
Just take a minute actually to look back to 2015-16, the year that we're
just coming out of in the fishery in this province and if you look at the
province's production market value this year, it's going to be the highest ever.
So we see great things coming out of the fishery because let's never forget that
the real backbone of this province has been and always will be the fishery and
it's an integral part of how we grow this province.
I know, Madam Speaker, Members opposite share that view as well. Just
this afternoon, I had a conversation with my critic on the fisheries file and we
shared the concerns of where we're headed this year, unfortunately, it looks
like, in the shellfish industry. But I can assure the harvesters and processors
in this province that we'll do our utmost as a government to ensure that the
transition from what was a predominant shellfish industry to a groundfish
industry is as seamless as possible. But it's important that we recognize the
challenges that the fishery in this province will face in the coming years.
Just to
reflect on that, when I think about the fishery and the impact it has on the
entire province, I quickly reflect to my own district because my district, Madam
Speaker, I would argue is one of the most, if not, the most, dependent district
in this province on the fishery; and it's very important that we make sure that
we're there and we do what we can to help facilitate that transition.
You
know, if you look all around the province, Madam Speaker, I think of your
particular district where you look at the work that the Labrador Union Shrimp
Company does and the challenges that we face in that region of the province this
year with the declining shrimp and decline in crab. So we're going to have a lot
of challenges in the fishery this year, but I can assure you, as a government,
we'll work with the harvesters and processors to the best of our ability.
One of
the other things, I guess, in my portfolio today, Madam Speaker, is aquaculture,
and we see some tremendous opportunities and tremendous developments in
aquaculture in this province. Just this past December, we had Northern Harvest
announce an expansion to their facility in Stephenville, which is going to bring
another 6,000 tons of salmon into production in the province.
You
know, we have things happening in the province with regard to the proposal from
Grieg, Madam Speaker. Just this Friday, it was announced that Marine Harvest,
which is the largest aquaculture company in the world, producing or actually
last year their sales were somewhere in the $2.5 billion range. And this company
successfully acquired the assets of Gray Aquaculture on the South Coast of the
province. This company, too, would also bring a lot of opportunity to the
province, along with existing companies like Cooke and Northern Harvest.
And
then, Madam Speaker, in The Way Forward
document the Premier outlined that one of the things that we will do as we move
to develop our economies primarily in rural Newfoundland and Labrador with
regard to aquaculture is we're looking also to grow the mussel industry. That
industry is primarily located on the Northeast coast of the province, and it's
also an opportunity for a great expansion in that.
And just
to add to the aquaculture side, Madam Speaker, we will this year see our largest
ever volume and GDP benefit from aquaculture in this province. So I guess that's
two parts of the portfolio that I currently sit in, Madam Speaker.
I guess
it'll be two weeks this Thursday I was on the West Coast with the Premier and
the Minister of Municipal Affairs and local MHAs from the region, and we were
able to announce 64,000 hectares of agricultural land that we're going to add to
our agricultural land base in this province. It's important when you realize
that only 10 per cent of our produce in the province today, Madam Speaker, is
grown here. We need to do better. And I think everybody in this House would
agree that as a province we need to grow more of our own food.
Of the
62 areas of interest that we've outlined and we're working with stakeholders to
develop in the province, we're not just looking at certain regions of the
province; we're looking at the entire province. Six of the 62 are located in
Labrador, and 56 are located here on the Island. These have brought in a lot of
co-operation through different agencies.
We've
had 25 municipalities that we've had to consult with, with regard to the changes
to the Crown Lands and bringing more land into agriculture. And I can tell you
the municipalities that we've consulted with, both through us and through
Municipal Affairs, have been more than willing to come on board and want to be a
part of us growing more in this province. So that's something, Madam Speaker, we
will work towards in the coming months to get this land into the hands of
farmers in our province.
Madam
Speaker, this coming summer we as a province will host Canada's Agriculture
Ministers here in St. John's where we hope to conclude a new framework agreement
that will take the place of Growing Forward 2. We're very much looking forward
to the opportunity this summer to conclude the negotiations on that agreement
and bring some much needed funding back into the province when it comes to
agriculture.
Just to
conclude on agriculture, I had the opportunity last week to speak at the
Greenhouse Conference here in St. John's. It's very interesting when you look at
the things that we're doing here in the city and in all parts of the province
when it comes to greenhouse agriculture.
One
other thing, last week in our announcement of the changes to some of the
structures of government, Madam Speaker, as a government now we're looking at
the Wooddale Tree Nursery to expand its mandate not only from a seedling
operation, which is very important to our forestry industry, but we're also
looking at other things that we can use this facility, located in Wooddale in
Central Newfoundland and Labrador, to produce more and to give us some more
opportunities in the agriculture industry.
If we
look for a moment, Madam Speaker, at one of the other industries that would play
very much a large role in our future as a province, is the forestry. We've made
some achievements in the forestry industry over the last number of weeks. We see
some activity in Central Newfoundland, we see our existing companies looking to
expand. There's great opportunity for the forest industry in this province. It's
an industry that has evolved over the years. We've gone from three paper mills
to one, and that itself brings challenges. Again, it is something that as a
province we must and will address when it comes to the availability of all the
resources that we have.
Back in
December, I guess, Madam Speaker, the Department of Municipal Affairs, Minister
Joyce, we brought in some changes to the Crown Lands Act that are very much in line with what municipalities have
been asking this province for a long time. And we look forward to making even
more changes to the Lands Act in the
coming months. It's important that we get Crown lands into the hands of
municipalities and people who want to use this land.
Madam
Speaker, just for a moment I guess, if you look at where we see the vision of
this province. You look at a department like the department that I'm currently
sitting in, there's a lot of opportunity in our renewable resources in this
province. If you look around, whether it's in fisheries, agriculture, forestry,
agrifoods, all of those bring together resources that are abundant here in
Newfoundland and Labrador and resources that you know as we move forward as a
province we will need to develop to their fullest.
When you
think about some of the groups out there today and some of the things that we've
been able to achieve, it's very important that one of the things we need to do
is to work as a group of stakeholders or shareholders I guess to make sure that
everything we do in this province is done with the utmost of respect for our
environment, respect for our native and indigenous people. So we will continue
in this department to consult.
Again,
when you look at the different areas of the province, and I'll come back to my
own district, you know, we see many challenges but we also see many
opportunities, whether it's in the fishery, forestry, agrifoods. But, at the end
of the day, Madam Speaker, it's important we all work together.
I'm
going to conclude right now, but again, thank you for the opportunity this
afternoon.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MADAM SPEAKER:
The Speaker recognizes the
hon. Member for Mount Pearl Southlands.
MR. LANE:
Thank you, Madam Speaker.
It
certainly is great to be back in the House of Assembly again. I want to welcome
everybody back. I'm sure we all enjoyed having the opportunity of getting out
and about in our districts; talking to the people, hearing what they have to say
and hopefully we're going to bring their views forward in the House of Assembly
as we proceed.
Madam
Speaker, there are many things I could speak about. I guess we're into Address
in Reply, so it's wide open basically to speak about whatever you wish, whether
it be about your district or whether it be about issues occurring in the
province and so on and there certainly are a number of things.
I'm not
going to dwell on the budget today. There's going to be lots of opportunity as
time goes on to talk about that. I will say, though, that I guess as was
predicted at the time and as was said at the time, we've seen a number of people
that I'm sure we've all heard from, I know we've all heard from some of them,
who continue to have challenges, very significant challenges as it relates to, I
guess, the impacts of the budget on their households. And it's quite unfortunate
to say the least, but it's something I'm going to talk about at another time.
What I
want to talk about today, Madam Speaker, is Nalcor. We've had some discussion,
certainly in Question Period today, around the former CEO's contract and how
that went down, who knew what and so on, but that's not really the piece I want
to talk about. I want to talk about, I guess, Nalcor in general.
I want
to talk about the Muskrat Falls Project, a project that I did stand up and vote
for, and I've openly it's on the record anyway. I have no problem saying that
I did because I did at the time based on the information I was provided, my
colleagues were provided. I did so in what I felt to be the best interest of the
people and of my constituents at the time. Based on the information, as I said,
that was provided and taking the word of people as to the information that you
were given was accurate information, that the assumptions were correct, that the
numbers were correct and not being in here ourselves. Certainly, I guess, we've
had engineers who have been MHAs. In the past, we've had lawyers. We have
lawyers here, but a lot of us are not necessarily engineers or experts of
electricity and so on, so we have to take advice and the best advice we can get
from the people who we feel ought to know the appropriate information and we all
vote on things based on that advice and so on.
But, as
we know, Nalcor has been, I guess, shrouded in controversy now for many, many
months and it's around a number of issues. One of the issues, of course, was
DarkNL. We all know what happened with that. We all know about the subsequent
Liberty report which came out. And, of course, in their Liberty report,
basically the reason why we had DarkNL was because a decision had been made by
officials at Newfoundland Hydro I guess you can expand that, Nalcor, and
expand that again perhaps, the minister of the day, the Premier of the day, who
knows, but a decision had been made not to do maintenance, not to do maintenance
in Holyrood.
As a
result of that maintenance not getting done, we ended up with people in the dark
for a number of days. Some people lost their power for longer than others. Some
people feared well, for some people it was actually an opportunity for the
family to get together and actually spend some time together and spend time as a
family and have barbecues and whatever the case might be to get through it and
lite the wood stove or the fireplace, if you had one, and so on.
It was a
positive experience in some regard for some people, but for other people and a
lot of people, of course, you know, we had senior citizens that had to be
evacuated from nursing homes and we had people who just certainly couldn't cope
with the power outage and they were cold and in the dark and so on, like I said,
particularly people who might be seniors, persons with disabilities and all
those issues. The village mall, the pipes burst and shut down the village for a
number of months and people lost their jobs for a significant period of time. No
money coming in the door.
So there
were a lot of negative impacts of DarkNL. And, like I said, when we go back to
the Liberty report we find out that somebody with Newfoundland Power or sorry,
correction, Newfoundland Hydro and, I guess, Nalcor, decided we weren't going to
do basic maintenance in Holyrood on the equipment. And instead of us finding out
after the fact, once all this came to light that there were pink slips handed
out, instead of hearing about pink slips, we heard that they were handing out
corporate bonuses great job, b'ys, great job. Couldn't keep the lights on, and
everyone gets a bonus, and no heads rolled at all, which is quite mindboggling
when you think about. And it certainly wouldn't happen in private industry at
least none of the private companies I worked for, I can guarantee you that.
And
that's just one issue. And then of course we know, I guess, the controversy, as
we talked about, that happened as the result of the former CEO departing. And,
at the time, we also know the former chair of the board and allegations that he
made. He was making allegations of conflict of interest. Then the most troubling
part about that is that this was something that I can remember it was in CBC at
the time, and talking about the fact, well, I know for sure there were conflicts
of interest. But if you knew it, if he knew it then, he knew it months prior,
but he never said anything months prior, so why would that be? And then that
leads you to believe, or question at least, could there be other potential
conflicts of interest. I'm not saying there are. I'm not using my words; I'm
using his that were put out there publicly.
Of
course, we look at the Muskrat Falls Project now, and I can remember when it was
debated here in the House and so on, and I can remember the issue of
methylmercury being brought forward. Certainly I was told, and my colleagues at
the time told, yeah, this project could have an impact in terms of
methylmercury, but we're confident that it won't be an issue, that levels will
be acceptable and so on.
Now here
we are, well into the project, and there are still outstanding issues, and it
seems like the information we were given was not correct information. Certainly,
there's a lot of conflicting information. We were told at the time I can
remember when the issue of the North spur was raised, and there were people
raising that issue. And I went to Nalcor's AGM it was at the Holiday Inn and
that question was put to the floor, to the former CEO. He deferred it to the
gentleman in charge of the project and I forget what his title it, but anyway
who said, we are aware of the North spur issue. We have an engineering
solution in place, and that engineering solution is included in the cost
estimates which at the time was $6 billion.
Have it in place, and it's included in the $6 billion.
Now we know, of course, that still seems to be up in the air and, obviously, it
wasn't included in the $6 billion because we're gone way beyond that now. We're
up to eleven-point-something billion dollars and people are saying it could grow
even further.
We've
seen all of the overruns, the huge overruns, the massive overruns that have
occurred and all the time delays and all the things that have happened. And
because of all these things and because of all these numbers that were put out
there, people have lost confidence. There are allegations out there now, if you
look on I realize social media is not the be all and end all, I can guarantee
you that and there's a lot of hearsay, but certainly there's a blog out there
now in social media whereby allegedly there's an engineer who's come forward
anonymously, who allegedly worked on the project, who said that he had to quit.
He had to quit working on that project, quit working for Nalcor because of false
numbers being generated and put out there to the public fudging of numbers.
Now,
that's what's out there. Now, I don't know; I can't swear if that's true or if
it's not true. It's all allegations. It's all hearsay, but it's very concerning.
It's very concerning for me, as somebody who stood up here and voted for that
based on what I felt was the accurate information from the people who were in
the know or ought to have been in the know, the so-called experts.
I stood
up and voted for it and other people did. I feel betrayed and hoodwinked. Quite
frankly, that's how I feel, by having information and assumptions put out there
that now, obviously, is not the case obviously, it's not the case. The numbers
are nowhere close to what we said the numbers were going to be and lots of
information that we were told here is not the reality today. I'm very concerned
about that and I know Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are very concerned about
that.
So, with
all that said, what are we going to do about it? What can we do about it? I
realize the government have said they're doing things to try to get the project
on track and on time and on budget. Well, it's not going to be on budget but, I
mean, obviously, to try to make best they can of a bad situation. One can argue
whether they're doing enough or they're not doing enough or whatever, and I'm
not going to argue that. I'm sure they're doing the best they can, but with all
of the concerns that have been raised, it is beyond me why everybody in this
House would not agree to bring the Auditor General into Nalcor to do a complete,
thorough review of their operations and to look at matters that have been
raised. To look at the issues around DarkNL, who knew what, who told who we
weren't going to do maintenance and why. And, if those individuals are still
there, who they were given their marching orders from if they were; to look into
these allegations of conflicts of interest, to look into these allegations of
false numbers and information being put out there. To look into all of these
contracts that have been awarded at Muskrat Falls and so on and the huge
overruns.
The
Auditor General should be in there to do that. Now, the Auditor General is in
there right now. We know he's in there now because the public took it upon
themselves in an email campaign
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MADAM SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. LANE:
to contact the Auditor General, basically and to fill his email box up with
requests to go into Nalcor. And thankfully, he has agreed and he's in there now.
The
problem we have, though, Madam Speaker, the problem we have is that he only has
a finite number of resources and basically they're just going in there, they're
going to pick a couple of items, some small bite-size chunks if you will, a
couple of things they can look at, and bring forward a report either in the
spring or this fall.
We don't
know what it is that he's going to look at or what he's not going to look at. I
certainly would hope he's going to look at the more serious things and the more
serious allegations than to simply just look at some routine matters and come
forward with a report on some day-to-day operational routine matters. I hope
he's going to look into the more serious issues, but we don't know that.
What
needs to happen is that Members of the House collectively, we need to give the
Auditor General the go ahead. We need to say to the Auditor General, we want you
to go into Nalcor and we're going to provide you with all the resources you
require to do a full analysis of the operations at Nalcor, to do a full analysis
of some of these controversies and allegations, some of these contracts that
have been awarded to get to the bottom of it and clear the air once and for all
so that we know our Crown corporation is working in our best interest.
I'm not
saying they're not. I don't know if they are or if they are not. I honestly
don't know. I know there are an awful lot of inconsistencies and I know the
price of Muskrat Falls has gone through the roof. And I know there have been all
kinds of allegations made, whether they're true or not, I don't know, but
they're out there. They're being made and people have concerns.
I don't
know why we wouldn't simply bring in the AG now. He's in there now anyway, give
him the resources he needs to do a full, comprehensive review and come forward
with a report so that we can finally clear the air. And if there are things that
happened that shouldn't be happening, to clean it up; if that means having to
make wholesale changes, that's what it means. If it means having to bring in the
authorities, if that's what it means, that's what it means. And I don't know if
it does or doesn't, I have no idea. I'm not suggesting they would, but whatever
needs to happen, give them the authority to go in there, do the review, do what
we have to do to clean it up and restore the people's faith in our Crown
corporation. Because that faith has been lost, the faith has been lost.
Even
though we have a new CEO, Mr. Marshall, and I'm not questioning his integrity,
ability or whatever, but simply just changing the person sitting in that seat is
not going to cut it if there's been all kinds of things done, all the other same
players are in place and these matters are not being brought forward to the
public in a transparent manner.
So, Mr.
Speaker, I really believe, I honestly believe that's what we need to do, and I
can't see why every Member of this House would not be supportive of doing that.
I can't understand I wrote the Premier months ago and I requested it. I never
even got a reply to the letter, not even: I've received your correspondence,
thank you for your feedback. Nothing. So I can only assume he doesn't want to do
it. And I don't know why he wouldn't, especially given the fact that all the
issues I've described all happened under a former administration. It's not like
he was even there. It's not even like this government was there.
It's
just mindboggling why we wouldn't want to do it. It needs to be done in order to
restore people's faith in our Crown corporation. A Crown corporation, by the
way, that's a huge part of our future. Whether it be oil and gas or whether it
be other forms of energy, it's going to play a significant role, a huge role in
our future, and there's no reason why we wouldn't all want to right the ship, to
get to the bottom of any controversy that's there and to clear the air, take
whatever action needs to be taken and move forward. There's no reason why in
this House of Assembly, why every Member here shouldn't want to do that. It
needs to be done. It needs to be done as soon as possible because we're still
spending billions. We're still spending billions.
Before I
run out of time, I do want to say as well, that while we hear all of this
controversy and while I raise this today, this is no way a reflection of the lot
of good people that are there at Nalcor and with Newfoundland Hydro and so on
who are out in the worst kind of weather, working the lines and all the other
things they do. There are very qualified, capable people there that work hard
every day, and I'm sure it's a black eye on them. I've talked to a couple of
them who've said that morale is really, really poor in a lot of cases because
that shadow is hanging over that organization. And they feel it, and they
shouldn't have to.
It's no
different than what was said here, the Minister of Justice said earlier when he
talked about the RNC. Just because there were a couple of incidents or a bad
apple here or there, which you find in every organization, we shouldn't tar the
RNC with a negative brush. If there are individuals, or if there are issues that
happen, you deal with those. But, by large it's a great organization, the RNC
is. And Nalcor I'm sure is no different; very qualified, very professional
people, but we need to get to the bottom of the issues which are causing all of
the concern for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
I
certainly call upon all my colleagues here today, particularly the minister and
the government, to give the the AG is in there now, give him the mandate to do
a sweeping review and provide him with the resources to do so.
MR. SPEAKER (Warr):
Order, please!
MR. LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The Chair recognizes the hon.
the Member for St. John's East Quidi Vidi.
MS. MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
I'm
pleased to get up today and to speak in the time allotted for the Address in
Reply to the Speech from the Throne.
I'm sure
that people who are watching may not be fully aware of the procedures in the
House, that the Speech from the Throne was given when this session first started
on March 8, 2016. So almost a year ago, but as long as this session of the House
runs, then the Speech from the Throne is the framework that government presented
and on which it bases it budget. So we don't take the time immediately after the
Speech from the Throne for everybody to get up and to reply to it. It gets
spread out throughout the whole session. So I'm very glad today to finally take
my 20 minutes in doing that.
I think
it's a very timely moment also to have 20 minutes to speak to the issues that
are going on in the province today and this is what the Speech from the Throne
is about, but there was one thing in the Speech from the Throne that I'm going
to focus on because it is actually timely and it has to do with what the Speech
from the Throne said about education.
In the
Speech from the Throne, the government did make its commitment to set up a task
force, a Premier's Task Force on Educational Outcomes, and they've done that and
that's great. But I think it's really important to reflect on some of the things
that the task force has been tasked with as a task force, and it's something
that the government had in the Speech from the Throne. And it was part and is
part of the mandate of the task force.
There
are a number of topics that the task force was asked to deal with: early
learning, mathematics, reading and literacy, inclusive education, student mental
health and wellness, and multicultural education, Aboriginal education, teacher
education and professional development.
What I'd
like to concentrate on in speaking during my Address in Reply is looking at the
whole issue of inclusive education and something I think that has become linked
to that as well, and that's student mental health and wellness.
The task
force has been going around the province listening to the concerns of parents,
of teachers, of students, of guardians, of communities, listening to their
concerns about our educational system. This week, they are actually here in St.
John's. They had a hearing last Thursday night. I think it was in St. John's and
they have another one tonight. I'm looking forward to presenting at that one
tonight.
They end
of Thursday. They'll be in Gander Thursday night, I know, and that'll be their
last consultation. It won't be the end of their work but it will be last
consultation that they're holding. People will still be able to present written
documentation to them and there's a deadline for that. I can't remember what
that deadline is, sometime in March, and they will continue doing the work and
come up with a report that they have to come up with in a short period of time,
actually, for the government.
And what
has been striking me, because I have been following the process, is the degree
to which presenters are concentrating on the whole issue of inclusive education
and what's happening in our schools. And none of us is against inclusive
education. However, since it was put in place in 2009, there have been nothing
but complaints from people, from parents, from teachers, from special ed
teachers, from guidance councillors, from school psychologists, and what they're
complaining about is that the program has not been adequately resourced in order
for it to work.
And even
the Minister of Education has said publicly the Minister of Education and
Early Childhood Development, he himself has said publicly that the system is not
working, that the system has to be restructured in order to work. And that's
really something. I'm glad that the minister was honest publicly and made that
acknowledgement to the people of this province because if it isn't acknowledged,
if we don't recognize that the system is not working, then it's not going to be
fixed.
And so
I'm very happy to know that the minister responsible recognizes that it's not
working, and I hope that means that the task force of very experienced,
professional people I have great hope in them. I have confidence that they
will have the same attitude as the minister and will go far in making
recommendations that will try to help fix the system.
Over the
years, especially since 2009, I have had many groups, many individuals, parents,
organizations, such as the Newfoundland and Labrador Autism Association, coming
and talking about their concerns. And the issue that is very, very clear is
because there aren't adequate resources in place in the school system, because
there aren't enough itinerant teachers, because there aren't enough student
assistants, because there aren't enough instructional resource teachers, because
there aren't enough guidance counsellors, what is happening is that nobody's
needs are being met. The children who have special needs, the children who have
exceptionalities, they do not have adequate resources, adequate supports.
Because
of that, in the classroom where all the children are together, without adequate
support, the teacher who's in charge of that classroom is finding that he or she
is having to spend so much time dealing with the students with exceptionalities
that other students are just being left to fend on their own. And the message
that I'm getting and, from what I can hear, the task force is getting is that
nobody is benefiting. Everybody is being hurt by this. And it's not acceptable.
One of
the things that I think is at the basis of all this is what government is basing
its decision making in. One of the things that seem to be lacking is their
understanding of where to start. In 2007, there was a study of teacher
allocation, and the teacher allocation commission did a report. The report
stated that teacher allocation should be grounded in the needs of each
individual school. And the direct quote is: It is there that students meet
teachers. It is there that improvements and developments in education must be
rooted and rationalized.
But what
has happened is that the model that has been developed, and that was implemented
in 2008, only partly is based on needs and, therefore, does not meet the needs
of all students. That's the problem; it's only partially based on that. And what
has been happening is that it is budget cuts that are running the show. And if
we are basing the decisions on how our educational system proceeds, if we're
basing those decisions on how to cut money, then we are going to continue really
letting our students be let down. They are being let down by the government.
They are being let down by the system and their parents.
Budget 2013
cut 160 teachers from the school system. Now,
Budget 2014 earmarked new funds for
itinerant teachers and student assistants and classroom aides; but, in 2015, we
we're being told by the Newfoundland and Labrador Teachers' Association that we
need, at that moment, an additional 150 teaching units in order to properly
implement inclusive education 150.
Budget 2016
earmarked 27 new teaching units, 27 for inclusive education. The teachers'
association and they've been loud and clear are telling us at that time in
2015, 150 were needed. And at the same time, the government earmarked only 27
new teaching units in 2016, and then also they increased the class-size caps.
They were increased for grades four to 12, and more multigrade classrooms were
created at the same time that the classrooms had
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MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS. MICHAEL:
every child in the system
in those classrooms with all kinds of exceptionalities.
So we
have a problem. We have a problem in understanding what inclusive education is
all about. We have a problem in understanding what an inclusive system looks
like, and we have a problem in understanding what the resources are that can
make that work. Because there are some times you may have a child who's in the
classroom with all his or her peers, and then needs to be taken out of the
classroom in order to deal with a special need that that child has in learning.
That
child then has to have somebody out of the classroom with him or her to do what
is needed at that time with that child. Because inclusive education doesn't mean
for every minute of the day a child with exceptionalities is going to be sitting
in a desk in a classroom. But if we have a teacher, an instructional resource
teacher having to cover two or three children in a classroom and we are being
told that's what's happening, then what happens to the other two children or the
other one child when the instructional resource teacher steps out with the child
who, for a period of time, needs to be out of the classroom? What happens is the
classroom teacher has to take over.
Now, if
the extra child or extra two children that the instructional resource teacher
was responsible for, if those children still have their needs, which they do,
and the classroom teacher now has to take care of their needs, what happens to
the other children in the classroom?
This is
the kind of thing that's going on in 2017 in our province. And this is what has
to change. So we have to have a move from the thing of saying here's the budget,
here's how much money, make it work. That's not the way to do it. It is: what
are the needs? Are we going to do inclusive education? What are the needs? What
are the resources that have to be there? How are we going to make it work? And
then government has the responsibility to have the budget to make that work. It
has to be a priority. This is the issue; it has to be a priority. If government
is going to do this, if it's going to and I think we should have inclusive
education, then it has to look at what it's been doing.
Now, it
was interesting and I know this is something that is being contested. But as
part of the last collective bargaining that went on between the NLTA and the
provincial government, a committee was set up, the joint inclusive education
committee. And this committee was set up to review inclusive education and they
were doing their work in 2015 and 2016. But the Department of Education and
Early Childhood Development prevented the committee from making recommendations
for changing the teacher allocations, for guidance counsellors, for educational
phycologists and for instructional resource teachers.
The
government, the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development
prevented the committee from making recommendations. The committee had proposed
recommendations that were key to the problems identified by the committee. The
committee was ready to go forward and they presented the recommendations, and
the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development said no, those
recommendations cannot be made and we are not paying attention to any
recommendations with regard to the teacher allocations.
Now,
this is absolutely unbelievable. It is absolutely unbelievable. Why take part?
Why set up the committee? Why do this work work that was being done by
professionals, whether in the teaching profession or in the department, they
were all working together, work done by professionals identifying the needs. And
the department says no, you can't make any recommendations. They stopped that
from happening.
So I
hope when the minister says that he knows the system is broken and he knows what
has to be done, that he is going to take leadership and change that. He's going
to say we have to make changes to the teacher allocation for inclusive
education. We have to make changes, and it's going to mean hiring more people.
It's going to mean making sure that we have enough itinerant teachers. It's
going to mean that we have enough instructional resource teachers. It's going to
mean that we are going to have adequate guidance counsellors. Guidance
counsellors now and this is where I want to make the connection to mental
health and wellness. Guidance counsellors now, in a lot of cases, are spending
so much of their time dealing with the whole issue of children with
exceptionalities that the work that they regularly do as guidance counsellors is
falling by the wayside, because they're having to do the work that other people
should be doing but we do not have the resources there for other people to be
doing that work.
So
children who have mental health issues, children who have whatever, behavioural
issues, whatever, that aren't related to being children with exceptionalities,
just relates to life that children, you know, are living today that those
children are being ignored. Those children are also suffering.
So the
inclusive education is not working for the children with exceptionalities. Their
parents are saying it. The organizations that represent them are saying it.
Children who are aren't identified as having exceptionalities but children in
the classroom and who are there, you know, just like the others, they're not
having their needs met as well so nobody is benefiting.
We may
have some places where things are working okay. I'm not saying there isn't a
place where things may be working okay. But, in general, what's happening is a
disgrace in this day and age. So government has to start paying attention.
There
was a panel last year, 2015-2016, set up by the NLTA. It was set up by the NLTA
and it had representation from the Federation of School Councils and Memorial
University. The parents and teachers raised many concerns and here were some of
the things that they raised. This is over a year ago, their report came out.
Insufficient resources for inclusion; teacher allocations that don't meet the
need; instructional resource teachers responsible for so many students that they
can't provide individualized instruction so what's it all about? If the
instructional teacher, if that person cannot provide individualized instruction,
what's it all about? Children with high needs or behavioural issues disrupting
the education of other students; children with autism subjected to a
detrimentally high turnover of student assistants. For example, with children
with autism, with anybody with autism one of the things that are really
important in their lives is consistency. They cannot deal with, for the most
part, for example, continuous change. So if they don't have the same student or
the same teacher with them, they are going to be upset. They are going to be
confused. They can't deal with it.
I
personally know this. I have a nephew who is on the autism spectrum, but he was
out in BC. I know that for a number of years, not only did he have the same
person working with him during the day, he had the same person go with him for a
number of years, and that's what's important is that consistency.
MS. ROGERS:
Continuity.
MS. MICHAEL:
It's the continuity.
So
government has got to look at, really study what inclusive education means, and
put the resources in place. I feel really confident that the task force is going
to be saying and reflecting some of the things that I've said here today because
we really do have good people on that task force.
Government are the ones who are going to have to really, you know, say okay,
we've got to take this seriously. Because, folks, if we don't, we're going to be
no further ahead in 10 years' time. So this government has a real responsibility
to look at the budget it's putting together and to make sure that it's based,
with regard to the educational aspect, based on the needs of the children in our
schools.
Thank
you very much, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this
point I would move, seconded by the Minister of Natural Resources, that the
House do now adjourn.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded that
this House do now adjourn.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On motion, the House at its rising adjourned until tomorrow, Tuesday, at 1:30 p.m.